To Challenge or not To challenge - Page 3

Haiku_Dirtt · 09-23-2007, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MACH1

It was a catch and down by contact. IMO After all he did have two feet down and possession then the ground can't cause a fumble.

Tomlin made a good non call on that one.

My opinion too. The ground can't cause a fumble after what was clearly contact. Period. I'm somewhat surprised by a debate about it.

Considering I thought the odds were more likely in favor of a 6-10 record rather than a 10-6 record...How perfect are things going right now?

97-26 in scoring and +3 in turnovers/takeaways in your first three games in the NFL. Why Tomlin is getting any criticism after that is plain nuts.

RushHard34 · 09-23-2007, 09:49 PM

it looks like at an angle that the nose of the ball hit the ground which popped it up...im guessing thats what the referees saw.

***tony hipchest*** · 09-23-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sith Lord

Discuss.

i knew it was just a matter of time before people started bitching and whining about this.

heres a clue:

just because you challenge a play doesnt mean the refs will automatically overturn it, ESPECIALLY if its a play they just spent 5 minutes reviewing.

it was a catch that was incorrectly called incomplete and tomlin was smart enough to leave "well enough" alone.

get over it people.

Preacher · 09-23-2007, 10:06 PM

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REFEREE GERALD AUSTIN
Why was the call made the way it was made?
Gerald Austin: He didn?t complete the pass as a catch. You have to get two feet clearly down and make another football move. If in the process of making the catch, he gets hit and goes to the ground, then he has to hold on. When he hit the ground and the ball hit the ground, it popped out.
Did he have one foot on the ground?
Gerald Austin: He had one foot and a toe on the other one.
That?s not considered two feet?
Gerald Austin: You have to be clearly down, and if he goes to the ground, he has to maintain control of the ball. He went to the ground and didn?t do anything other than that because as soon as that second toe hit, he gets hit and boom down he goes and hits on the elbow, the ball hits and pops up. That is the rule of the process of the game, two feet clearly down and if he goes to the ground he has to hold it.

So the call makes sense... and with that, Tomlin's choice not to challenge it makes sense as well.

Petesburgh66 · 09-23-2007, 10:12 PM

Regardless of the feet, Davis didn't make a football move. Unless you consider Troy destroying him as being apart of a football move.

***tony hipchest*** · 09-23-2007, 10:16 PM

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You have to get two feet clearly down and make another football move.

the most bogus "rule" in football EVER!

i aknowledge that the rules today favor the offense but way too many great catches are wiped out thanks to a referees discretion. anybody remember troy polamalus interception against the colts in the playoffs 2 years ago?

with this being said, tomlin made the right call not to challenge. pick your battles and choose them wisely.

its simple. the refs werent gonna overturn what they had just spent 5 minutes under the hood to overturn.

Preacher · 09-23-2007, 10:18 PM

I put the refs answer in another thread. Maybe it should have gone here... but his answer made a lot of sense.

It isn't just having to feet down that makes it a catch, it is two feet down, and a football move. Two feet down is ONLY when going out of bounds. He was not able to make a football move. He got hit and flipped over. At that point, the question is, did he keep possession when he hit the ground, or did he lose possession and thus the ball was incomplete.

We all know the answer to that one... and that is why it was called an incomplete pass.

Haiku_Dirtt · 09-23-2007, 10:21 PM

Wait. So now an elbow is an extension or rather conduit for the ball to the ground?

I'm clearly confused now so I need to see the play again. Did the ball hit the ground or not? I get the two feet rule which is fair.

fansince'76 · 09-23-2007, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sith Lord

When will his poor decision making on (key) challenges cost the steelers a regular season game? A playoff game? It's only a matter of time.

Tell you what - while you fret away about something that hasn't happened, I'll savor another 20+ point win and the first 3-0 start for the team in 15 years. OK?

Haiku_Dirtt · 09-23-2007, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Petesburgh66

Unless you consider Troy destroying him as being apart of a football move.

Teams work so hard to avoid him that when he gets his he ain't holdin' back.

09-23-2007, 09:49 PM	#22
RushHard34 Team President Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Naperville,IL Posts: 2,033 Gender: Male Member Number: 910 Thanks: 22 Thanked 15 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Two for Tomlin it looks like at an angle that the nose of the ball hit the ground which popped it up...im guessing thats what the referees saw. __________________

09-23-2007, 10:12 PM	#25
Petesburgh66 Team Captain Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Oshawa, ON Posts: 715 Gender: Male Member Number: 1988 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Ref explains call... and it makes sense. Regardless of the feet, Davis didn't make a football move. Unless you consider Troy destroying him as being apart of a football move.

09-23-2007, 10:18 PM	#27
Preacher Water Boy Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3 Member Number: 16327 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Two for Tomlin I put the refs answer in another thread. Maybe it should have gone here... but his answer made a lot of sense. It isn't just having to feet down that makes it a catch, it is two feet down, and a football move. Two feet down is ONLY when going out of bounds. He was not able to make a football move. He got hit and flipped over. At that point, the question is, did he keep possession when he hit the ground, or did he lose possession and thus the ball was incomplete. We all know the answer to that one... and that is why it was called an incomplete pass.

09-23-2007, 10:21 PM	#28
Haiku_Dirtt Head Coach Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 156 degrees 17' 30" W 20 degrees 55' N Posts: 1,749 Member Number: 1645 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Ref explains call... and it makes sense. Wait. So now an elbow is an extension or rather conduit for the ball to the ground? I'm clearly confused now so I need to see the play again. Did the ball hit the ground or not? I get the two feet rule which is fair.

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