Tomlin Quicker to Bench Hurt Players Than Cowher?

***tony hipchest*** · 10-05-2007, 06:27 PM

it seems tomlin is very cautious with injured players. i dont think cowher ever had a "you dont practice on friday, you dont play on sunday" policy but it seems that tomlin pretty much does to this point.

i think this week is as much as a "must win game" as anything if we dont want our playoff hopes rely of other teams sucking or blowing it bungles style down the road).

so is it better too have a 75% hines, polamalu, and hampton out there for a hopeful win, or play it safe, and get the back ups some valuable experience, as more of a gamble yet still hopeful win?

i know it varies with each player but using hines, troy and hampton as the examples, do you think its better to go with the "no practice= no play" philosophy

The Duke · 10-05-2007, 06:46 PM

could be a good thing could be bad. If it was very important game(say the pats game) and a player was hurt and not 100 percent but can play, that imo should be a moment in which tomlin puts the player on the field. right now we're still at the beginning of the season with a 3-1 record against a good team, but the season is long, so as of right now not letting them play seems smarter.

I'm not ready to call Tomlin a smarter guy than coach cowher, but he's getting points in his favor for this

Preacher · 10-05-2007, 06:53 PM

On the philosphy itself, I am impartial.

However, on those players playing... I have to say, I want them to sit. As I said in another thread, we can blow threw the league this year, that will mean 6 wins and winning the tie-breakers. then, we 2 more wins already, which would give us 8. With this scenario, we can cherry pick 2 more wins and we should have the division.

Browns will DEFINITELY get there third loss this week, and that is our closest team right now.

So no, I say sit them.

slippy · 10-05-2007, 06:55 PM

being that it's early in the season they should sit. also, these injuries will be helped by the bye week. the upcoming stretch of afc games is more important than an nfc game in week 5.

hoke is a great backup for big snack, and it would be nice for anthony smith to be able to play FS and SS!

Ward will miss his fourth game in 1 1/4 years...very troublesome.

revefsreleets · 10-05-2007, 07:13 PM

It depends on the player. Can Ward go without practicing? Sure. Troy? Definitely. Casey? Yep. But there are a lot of players I'd say no to.

TheWarDen86 · 10-05-2007, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slippy

being that it's early in the season they should sit. also, these injuries will be helped by the bye week. the upcoming stretch of afc games is more important than an nfc game in week 5.

hoke is a great backup for big snack, and it would be nice for anthony smith to be able to play FS and SS!

Ward will miss his fourth game in 1 1/4 years...very troublesome.

I'm glad this game is at home. I have to be honest, with the potential for there being FOUR starters out for this one, I'm concerned.

We'll need to depend on Gay (unproven) Nate (unpredictable) A. Smith or Simmons? We may be okay there, and Hoke (very proven but I recall hearing he has an ailment as well).

I'd like to see Ced remind the coaches who he is in this one. Also, Spaeth could make some "Hines Ward Necessity" type 3rd down catches for us....I hope. I also hope the stadium is loud enough to cause at least some offensive comm problems. We need to get some serious pressure though. I'd like to see the kind of pressure we put on Peyton in the Divsional game in '05.
Anyone have any points that may cheer me up a bit?

EmDoubleU · 10-06-2007, 03:44 AM

Because we have a buy week next week, i would sit them out or bring them off the bench later on. If the backups play well this will only make us stronger and the confidence higher. We have a tough next 3 games. @denver, @cincy, and home vs ravens.

***Galax Steeler*** · 10-06-2007, 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWarDen86

I'm glad this game is at home. I have to be honest, with the potential for there being FOUR starters out for this one, I'm concerned.

We'll need to depend on Gay (unproven) Nate (unpredictable) A. Smith or Simmons? We may be okay there, and Hoke (very proven but I recall hearing he has an ailment as well).

I'd like to see Ced remind the coaches who he is in this one. Also, Spaeth could make some "Hines Ward Necessity" type 3rd down catches for us....I hope. I also hope the stadium is loud enough to cause at least some offensive comm problems. We need to get some serious pressure though. I'd like to see the kind of pressure we put on Peyton in the Divsional game in '05.
Anyone have any points that may cheer me up a bit?

Who is gay replacing?

Glace · 10-06-2007, 07:17 AM

I think it's a very good thing to keep these guys off the field until they're closer to 100%

I love seeing all of them suited up and creating havoc on the field....but their longevity as the season goes on is much more important to me.

Maybe Troy's rib injury causes him not to hit so hard...and guys end up breaking tackles on him? Maybe Ward misses a step and looks as bad as Nate Washington did last week because he can't plant and run precision routes? Big Hamp's strength and push off the line is very important...if he doesn't have it, we might as well put a backup in there and let him get the experience.

No...give these guys 2 weeks to heal up with the bye coming up.

I'll take 100% + less experience over 75% + more experience any day. We need these guys down the stretch and that is far more important than a game against the seahawks right now.

stillers4me · 10-06-2007, 07:44 AM

Watching the Steelers play a big game without Troy, Casey and Hines is like watching your favorite 70's band play with a substitute lead singer, drummer and bass guitar player. It's the Steelers but it's not. Like last years opener against Miami without Ben. (thanking the football gods for Charlie Batch).

I know sitting them this week is in the best interest of both the players and the team.

I just hope we have a few guys step up big time........coach says injuries are no excuse for losing. Tomlin, Ariens, Lebeau at least have time to game plan around the substitutions........man, that wasn't pretty last week watching
Troy and Hines sit helplessly on the side while Arizona marched up the field on us. It was a cruel reminder of last years Baltimore game..............I hate it when Hines has that look on his face. And the media loves showing it to us, don't they?

I don't think Ben will be out on the field playing with a concussion under Tomlin's watch. That definitely a good thing and I'm grateful for his caution with our guys health and the long term goals of the season and the future of this team. But I sure would feel better about this game if we had all the guns loaded.

Here's to not playing catch up after the byeweek and to our young guys having their break out game.

Here we Steelers, here we go!

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10-05-2007, 06:27 PM	#1
*tony hipchest* IRONMAN a.k.a. Tony Stark Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Give me back my game... Posts: 34,340 Member Number: 658 Thanks: 184 Thanked 230 Times in 164 Posts	Tomlin Quicker to Bench Hurt Players Than Cowher? it seems tomlin is very cautious with injured players. i dont think cowher ever had a "you dont practice on friday, you dont play on sunday" policy but it seems that tomlin pretty much does to this point. i think this week is as much as a "must win game" as anything if we dont want our playoff hopes rely of other teams sucking or blowing it bungles style down the road). so is it better too have a 75% hines, polamalu, and hampton out there for a hopeful win, or play it safe, and get the back ups some valuable experience, as more of a gamble yet still hopeful win? i know it varies with each player but using hines, troy and hampton as the examples, do you think its better to go with the "no practice= no play" philosophy __________________

10-05-2007, 06:46 PM	#2
The Duke Living Legend Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,459 Gender: Male Member Number: 4800 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Tomlin Quicker to Bench Hurt Players Than Cowher? could be a good thing could be bad. If it was very important game(say the pats game) and a player was hurt and not 100 percent but can play, that imo should be a moment in which tomlin puts the player on the field. right now we're still at the beginning of the season with a 3-1 record against a good team, but the season is long, so as of right now not letting them play seems smarter. I'm not ready to call Tomlin a smarter guy than coach cowher, but he's getting points in his favor for this

10-05-2007, 06:53 PM	#3
Preacher Water Boy Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3 Member Number: 16327 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Tomlin Quicker to Bench Hurt Players Than Cowher? On the philosphy itself, I am impartial. However, on those players playing... I have to say, I want them to sit. As I said in another thread, we can blow threw the league this year, that will mean 6 wins and winning the tie-breakers. then, we 2 more wins already, which would give us 8. With this scenario, we can cherry pick 2 more wins and we should have the division. Browns will DEFINITELY get there third loss this week, and that is our closest team right now. So no, I say sit them.

10-05-2007, 06:55 PM	#4
slippy Bench Warmer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brooklyn, NY: via Indiana, PA Posts: 298 Gender: Male Member Number: 5848 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Tomlin Quicker to Bench Hurt Players Than Cowher? being that it's early in the season they should sit. also, these injuries will be helped by the bye week. the upcoming stretch of afc games is more important than an nfc game in week 5. hoke is a great backup for big snack, and it would be nice for anthony smith to be able to play FS and SS! Ward will miss his fourth game in 1 1/4 years...very troublesome.

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10-05-2007, 07:13 PM	#5
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10-06-2007, 03:44 AM	#7
EmDoubleU Water Boy Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5 Member Number: 7388 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Tomlin Quicker to Bench Hurt Players Than Cowher? Because we have a buy week next week, i would sit them out or bring them off the bench later on. If the backups play well this will only make us stronger and the confidence higher. We have a tough next 3 games. @denver, @cincy, and home vs ravens.

10-06-2007, 07:17 AM	#9
Glace Team Captain Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: State College, PA Posts: 887 Gender: Male Member Number: 3609 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Tomlin Quicker to Bench Hurt Players Than Cowher? I think it's a very good thing to keep these guys off the field until they're closer to 100% I love seeing all of them suited up and creating havoc on the field....but their longevity as the season goes on is much more important to me. Maybe Troy's rib injury causes him not to hit so hard...and guys end up breaking tackles on him? Maybe Ward misses a step and looks as bad as Nate Washington did last week because he can't plant and run precision routes? Big Hamp's strength and push off the line is very important...if he doesn't have it, we might as well put a backup in there and let him get the experience. No...give these guys 2 weeks to heal up with the bye coming up. I'll take 100% + less experience over 75% + more experience any day. We need these guys down the stretch and that is far more important than a game against the seahawks right now.

10-06-2007, 07:44 AM	#10
stillers4me Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 8,670 Gender: Female Member Number: 2656 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Tomlin Quicker to Bench Hurt Players Than Cowher? Watching the Steelers play a big game without Troy, Casey and Hines is like watching your favorite 70's band play with a substitute lead singer, drummer and bass guitar player. It's the Steelers but it's not. Like last years opener against Miami without Ben. (thanking the football gods for Charlie Batch). I know sitting them this week is in the best interest of both the players and the team. I just hope we have a few guys step up big time........coach says injuries are no excuse for losing. Tomlin, Ariens, Lebeau at least have time to game plan around the substitutions........man, that wasn't pretty last week watching Troy and Hines sit helplessly on the side while Arizona marched up the field on us. It was a cruel reminder of last years Baltimore game..............I hate it when Hines has that look on his face. And the media loves showing it to us, don't they? I don't think Ben will be out on the field playing with a concussion under Tomlin's watch. That definitely a good thing and I'm grateful for his caution with our guys health and the long term goals of the season and the future of this team. But I sure would feel better about this game if we had all the guns loaded. Here's to not playing catch up after the byeweek and to our young guys having their break out game. Here we Steelers, here we go! Last edited by stillers4me; 10-06-2007 at 12:14 PM.

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