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Old 11-01-2007, 03:22 AM   #1
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Default ACLU Friend or Foe.

Is the ACLU truely an American friend or is it an affornt to the American people and govenment?

Does it truely prtect the people or select groups? I asked my self this and went digging, and this is what I found, you be the judge and please discuss:

The ACLU will fight for anything that is against the military, for drugs, against main stream religion, and main stream morals. They have very deep pockets with it appears unlimited funding paid for by the American tax payer.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=51907

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Roger Baldwin: Founder, American Civil Liberties Union founder long time director of the American Civil Liberties Union wrote “I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the state itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class… Communism is the goal.”
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Following are some of the stated goals of the ACLU, from its own published Policy Issues:
 the legalization of prostitution (Policy 211);
 the defense of all pornography, including CHILD PORN, as "free speech" (Policy 4);
 the decriminalization and legalization of all drugs (Policy 210);
 the promotion of homosexuality (Policy 264);
 the opposition of rating of music and movies (Policy 18);
 opposition against parental consent of minors seeking abortion (Policy 262);
 opposition of informed consent preceding abortion procedures (Policy 263);
 opposition of spousal consent preceding abortion (Policy 262);
 opposition of parental choice in children's education (Policy 80)
-- not to mention the defense and promotion of euthanasia, polygamy, government control of church institutions, gun control, tax-funded abortion, birth limitation, etc. (Policies 263, 133, 402, 47, 261, 323, 271, 91, 85).
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From its inception, the ACLU has worked to create a new America. To do so, the ACLU found it necessary to achieve two main things: first, the abolishment of Constitutional barriers to governmental power and second, the enervation of man’s soul to make him weak and dependent on government. Both of which move America towards a progressive state and, according to Dr. Krannawitter, are advanced by “removing God from the American mind.”
http://www.intellectualconservative....ticle3775.html

The ACLU in my opinion is BAD.
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Old 11-01-2007, 07:56 AM   #2
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the ACLU is the most dangerous organization in america.
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Old 11-01-2007, 09:05 AM   #3
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Default Re: ACLU Friend or Foe.

Quite disturbing...
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Default Re: ACLU Friend or Foe.

"Communism is the goal"

What is sad is that there are many americans that agree with this quote. Personally, I will fight this way of thinking my entire life and be happy doing so!
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Old 11-01-2007, 03:20 PM   #5
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the ACLU is the most dangerous organization in america.
Ahead of the New England Patriots?
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Nope, ACLU is 1b.
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Default Re: ACLU Friend or Foe.

One of my best friends is a lawyer and a member of the ACLU. His core argument is that they ultimately are all about protecting civil rights and privacies.

I've always felt that they spent an inordinate amount of energy protecting the the tiniest niche "causes" to the detriment of other causes that effect the greater majority. From their own site:
"If the rights of society's most vulnerable members are denied, everybody's rights are imperiled."

But the fact is that if the vast majority has to have their way of life or culture forcibly changed, at great discomfort and expense just to accommodate the tiny little minority, when it makes all the common sense in the world for the minority to simply assimilate, then we have drifted far from the principles and ideals this country was founded upon. The ACLU is simply WAY too much of a good thing. It's a great idea that has spun wildly out of control.
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Default Re: ACLU Friend or Foe.

A lot also depends on the local chapter. In Michigan they sued on behalf of a high school senior who wanted a quote from Jeremiah next to her picture in the yearbook.

In Louisiana, they blocked a New Orleans ordinance limiting the volume of the music played by street musicians outside St. Louis Cathedral during Mass (there was a problem with the performances being so loud they disrupted church services). The ordinance was written more broadly--ie noise level, distance from the church, during services--but that was the impetus.

In the first case, the ACLU was pro-religious freedom; in the second, they violated the right of people to practice their religion..
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Default Re: ACLU Friend or Foe.

TBD,

Your last quote is opinion, and not worthy of the rest of your argument.

Generally speaking, the rights of the minority are the ones that need defended. That is why the ACLU exists.

Forcing a change in the way of life or culture of the majority... is that bad, when the change is for the better? What about the striking down of racial barriers that were a way of life for America for over a hundred years? I'm sure the majority was just fine with things the way they were.

Every change has been adapted to and assimilated, and they have been vastly for the better. No one has LOST rights, and some have gained rights, or had them affirmed.

Beware of the bogeyman, beware of bogeyman issues. Don't fall prey to fear. What could someone else asserting their rights take from YOU? There are organizations out there trying to make you think that your rights don't need to be defended. But they do need to be.

Yeah, they're a PITA. But they perform a valuable service. Even when they lose, they help to define where the line is. They do the fight, in the niches and the corners, so that you don't have to do it every day.
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Old 11-01-2007, 09:51 PM   #10
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Default Re: ACLU Friend or Foe.

Mosca, the quotes I posted are for discussion, seeing different issues that are complex and need to be addressed. The last is an opinion of a student at Hillsdale College. They are all presented for discussion.
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