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Old 12-20-2007, 10:43 AM   #1
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Default Mike Tomlin... time for him to earn his paycheck

I think right now in these last two games mike tomlin needs to show why the rooneys chose him over all the other coaches... he needs to will this team into the playoffs and it all starts against the rams... cowher did it in 2005... tomlin needs to do it now... i think this season will go a long way into determining his success as a steeler and the success of the steelers as a franchise
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Old 12-20-2007, 10:48 AM   #2
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Default Re: Mike Tomlin... time for him to earn his paycheck

Cowher didn't will the team into winning in 2005, the team as a whole stepped up.

IMHO, no coach can "will" a team into winning or losing. You can caoch your players perfectly, but if they don't perform on game day, it all doesn't rest on the coach's shoulders. He's not the guy out there making tackles, catches, runs, throws, fielding punts and kickoffs.
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Old 12-20-2007, 10:50 AM   #3
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Cowher didn't will the team into winning in 2005, the team as a whole stepped up.

IMHO, no coach can "will" a team into winning or losing. You can caoch your players perfectly, but if they don't perform on game day, it all doesn't rest on the coach's shoulders. He's not the guy out there making tackles, catches, runs, throws, fielding punts and kickoffs.

So then coaches are irrelevant?
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He's a rookie HC who has already guided the team to a better record than it finished with the year before. He's earned his paycheck.
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Old 12-20-2007, 11:23 AM   #5
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Default Re: Mike Tomlin... time for him to earn his paycheck

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I think right now in these last two games mike tomlin needs to show why the rooneys chose him over all the other coaches... he needs to will this team into the playoffs and it all starts against the rams... cowher did it in 2005... tomlin needs to do it now... i think this season will go a long way into determining his success as a steeler and the success of the steelers as a franchise
To the extent you are pining away for what some regard as the good old days of "Let's Go!" and spit flying on the sidelines, Ed.B. of the P-G had a good observation:

Do you think it's time for coach Mike Tomlin to start doing some yelling? This nice guy [stuff] has gone on too long.

BOUCHETTE: Yelling and screaming by someone who never yells and screams would do way more harm than good. The players really would start to question his antics and his honesty. Yelling and screaming might get high school players' attention, and if that's your normal mode of action, it may work for that particular coach. Take a look at Tony Dungy on the sideline sometime. He barely raises his voice and they're the defending champs. Yelling and screaming by the head coach at this point would show more panic than anything else.


http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07352/842407-367.stm

Tomlin can prepare his team to play, but I do not know how a coach "wills" a team to victory - please share how Cowher did that (surely you are not attributing the SB rings to the "Christopher Columbus" speech after the 2005 Bengals loss). Maybe Tomlin can lay hands on Aaron Smith and Ryan Clark so they can be healed and reactivated tonight.

As for this season going a long way to determining the success of the Steelers as a franchise, that comment is (groping for polite and somewhat value neutral term here.......) ........ astonishing.
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No way. If we lose these next two games in blowouts Tomlin has had an excellent first season. 8-8 last year. Even if we miss the post season it is an improvement
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Cowher didn't will the team into winning in 2005, the team as a whole stepped up.

IMHO, no coach can "will" a team into winning or losing. You can caoch your players perfectly, but if they don't perform on game day, it all doesn't rest on the coach's shoulders. He's not the guy out there making tackles, catches, runs, throws, fielding punts and kickoffs.
Exactly....the X's and O's don't mean squat if the players don't execute (now if those plays are questionable that's another debate entirely )

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He's a rookie HC who has already guided the team to a better record than it finished with the year before. He's earned his paycheck.
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Exactly....the X's and O's don't mean squat if the players don't execute (now if those plays are questionable that's another debate entirely )



I agree with the X's and O' part, memphis, but as far as the plays being "questionable" - how do we as fans really know if they ARE questionable if the players don't execute them properly? Ben is pretty tight with Arians and is outspoken enough that if he felt a particular play needed the heavo ho from the playbook, Arians would more than likely give it some heavy consideration.

I believe a coach(es) can be a teacher in the classroom, in camp and on the practice field, as well as a huge moral attribute on the field, but as the old saying goes - "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink". If the players don't execute when it's crunch time, I don't believe that falls on the coach(es) shoulders as much as it falls on the players. Just my two cents.
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Two weeks left in the season and we are still part of the play-off talks, I think Tomlin has earned his keep.
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I think right now in these last two games mike tomlin needs to show why the rooneys chose him over all the other coaches... he needs to will this team into the playoffs and it all starts against the rams... cowher did it in 2005... tomlin needs to do it now... i think this season will go a long way into determining his success as a steeler and the success of the steelers as a franchise
Wow---it took Cowher 15 years to do it---I think we can spot Tomlin at least more than 1 year.
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