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Old 01-02-2008, 09:11 AM   #1
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Default MSNBC: Big Ben Must Show How Good He Is

Opinion: Big Ben must show how good he is
Steelers need Roethlisberger to carry offense against Jaguars
OPINION
By Steve Silverman
updated 4:35 p.m. ET, Tues., Jan. 1, 2008

The Steelers can talk the talk.

But can they walk the walk?

Pittsburgh heads into the Wild Card round of the playoffs against the Jaguars with homefield advantage and little else. The Steelers have lost 3 of their last 4 and were beaten 29-22 at home by the Jags in Week 15 as running backs Maurice Jones-Drew and Fred Taylor ran with ease.

Linebacker Larry Foote is not afraid of facing the Jaguars again. ?I love it," Foote said. "You hear everybody around the league talking, 'I'm scared of Jacksonville. I don't want to play Jacksonville.' But I'm happy about it. You know we're going to have a chip on our shoulder. People aren't talking about us and we like that. We've got a lot of spirit in this locker room and we're going to show it Saturday night."

That?s nice, but the Steelers haven?t stopped anyone since defensive end Aaron Smith suffered a torn biceps in the Week 14 loss at New England.

Foote may be blustering, but if the Steelers are going to overcome the Jaguars it?s going to be on the shoulders of Ben Roethlisberger. Big Ben broke Terry Bradshaw?s record for TD passes in a season (29) and bettered his own passer rating record with a mark of 104.2. No quarterback in the league with his numbers and pedigree ? he led the Steelers to the Super Bowl just two years ago ? is respected less than Roethlisberger.

That extends to his own team. Linebacker James Harrison was voted the team MVP award despite Roethlisberger?s numbers. Roethlisberger finished second in the league to Tom Brady with a passer rating of 104.1. Much like Brady, Roethlisberger?s main attribute is his accuracy. Because he carries so much size and weight and can shake off tacklers in the pocket and find secondary receivers, many scouts look at Roethlisberger as a supersized pocket presence who overpowers his opponents. While that may be true on occasion, none of it would matter if he were not an accurate passer.

Roethlisberger completed 264 of 404 passes for 3,154 yards with 32 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. He had an excellent complementary running game with Willie Parker for most of the season, but the running game suffered a huge blow when the speedy running back broke his leg in the Steelers? Week 16 win over the Rams. Najeh Davenport is next in line and has some ability, but lacks the game-changing speed and consistency of Parker.

The Steelers are not conceding anything without Parker. Davenport had 167 yards of total offense against St. Louis. However, the Jaguars feature a much more physical defense and nothing in Davenport?s history suggests that he will give as good as he gets when he faces a defense that enjoys punishing an opponent.

That means Roethlisberger will have to carry the offense on his shoulders. It won?t be easy, considering that the Steelers have a decent but not great group of receivers. But Roethlisberger is most likely going to have to keep on firing because the defense has lost its way.

The Steelers have been known for their physical play for generations, but their tackling in general and their run defense in particular has fallen off the charts in recent weeks. That?s not apparent looking at the run defense numbers for the season. Pittsburgh allowed 89.9 rushing yards per game, finishing 3rd behind Minnesota and Baltimore. However, in the final 3 games of the season, the Steelers gave up 494 rushing yards.

That plays right into the Jaguars strategy. While David Garrard has had a big season of his own ? 3rd in passer rating ? it?s the running of Jones-Drew and Taylor that defines the offense and both men rested in the season finale against Houston. The Jaguars rushed for 224 yards in their win at Pittsburgh in December.

Barring miserable weather, the game appears to have high-scoring potential. Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes and tight end Heath Miller have the potential to rip holes in any defense. Holmes is the home run hitter who caught 52 passes for 942 yards and 8 touchdowns, but it is Ward who Roethlisberger puts in his sights when the Steelers need a big play. Even at the age of 35, Ward refuses to make any accommodations in his style of play. He continues to block like a demon and sell out on every pass that comes his way. It seems like he will continue to play until his body gives out.

Miller had 47 catches and is one of the better tight ends in the game. Nate Washington is often overlooked and can get downfield very well for a 4th receiver. He had 5 TD catches this year.

Roethlisberger is confident that his weapons are more than sufficient to trade points with the Jags and advance to a likely meeting with the Patriots in the divisional playoffs. However, he must get some cooperation from an offensive line that has given up 47 sacks. That?s something that Roethlisberger can?t overcome on his own, no matter how productive he has been this season.

If the Steelers are going to advance in the postseason, the run defense must improve, the blocking has to be solid and Big Ben has to show the world just how good he is ? once again.

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Old 01-02-2008, 09:13 AM   #2
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Opinion: Big Ben must show how good he is
Steelers need Roethlisberger to carry offense against Jaguars
OPINION
By Steve Silverman
updated 4:35 p.m. ET, Tues., Jan. 1, 2008

The Steelers can talk the talk.

But can they walk the walk?

Pittsburgh heads into the Wild Card round of the playoffs against the Jaguars with homefield advantage and little else. The Steelers have lost 3 of their last 4 and were beaten 29-22 at home by the Jags in Week 15 as running backs Maurice Jones-Drew and Fred Taylor ran with ease.

Linebacker Larry Foote is not afraid of facing the Jaguars again. ?I love it," Foote said. "You hear everybody around the league talking, 'I'm scared of Jacksonville. I don't want to play Jacksonville.' But I'm happy about it. You know we're going to have a chip on our shoulder. People aren't talking about us and we like that. We've got a lot of spirit in this locker room and we're going to show it Saturday night."

That?s nice, but the Steelers haven?t stopped anyone since defensive end Aaron Smith suffered a torn biceps in the Week 14 loss at New England.

Foote may be blustering, but if the Steelers are going to overcome the Jaguars it?s going to be on the shoulders of Ben Roethlisberger. Big Ben broke Terry Bradshaw?s record for TD passes in a season (29) and bettered his own passer rating record with a mark of 104.2. No quarterback in the league with his numbers and pedigree ? he led the Steelers to the Super Bowl just two years ago ? is respected less than Roethlisberger.

That extends to his own team. Linebacker James Harrison was voted the team MVP award despite Roethlisberger?s numbers. Roethlisberger finished second in the league to Tom Brady with a passer rating of 104.1. Much like Brady, Roethlisberger?s main attribute is his accuracy. Because he carries so much size and weight and can shake off tacklers in the pocket and find secondary receivers, many scouts look at Roethlisberger as a supersized pocket presence who overpowers his opponents. While that may be true on occasion, none of it would matter if he were not an accurate passer.

Roethlisberger completed 264 of 404 passes for 3,154 yards with 32 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. He had an excellent complementary running game with Willie Parker for most of the season, but the running game suffered a huge blow when the speedy running back broke his leg in the Steelers? Week 16 win over the Rams. Najeh Davenport is next in line and has some ability, but lacks the game-changing speed and consistency of Parker.

The Steelers are not conceding anything without Parker. Davenport had 167 yards of total offense against St. Louis. However, the Jaguars feature a much more physical defense and nothing in Davenport?s history suggests that he will give as good as he gets when he faces a defense that enjoys punishing an opponent.

That means Roethlisberger will have to carry the offense on his shoulders. It won?t be easy, considering that the Steelers have a decent but not great group of receivers. But Roethlisberger is most likely going to have to keep on firing because the defense has lost its way.

The Steelers have been known for their physical play for generations, but their tackling in general and their run defense in particular has fallen off the charts in recent weeks. That?s not apparent looking at the run defense numbers for the season. Pittsburgh allowed 89.9 rushing yards per game, finishing 3rd behind Minnesota and Baltimore. However, in the final 3 games of the season, the Steelers gave up 494 rushing yards.

That plays right into the Jaguars strategy. While David Garrard has had a big season of his own ? 3rd in passer rating ? it?s the running of Jones-Drew and Taylor that defines the offense and both men rested in the season finale against Houston. The Jaguars rushed for 224 yards in their win at Pittsburgh in December.

Barring miserable weather, the game appears to have high-scoring potential. Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes and tight end Heath Miller have the potential to rip holes in any defense. Holmes is the home run hitter who caught 52 passes for 942 yards and 8 touchdowns, but it is Ward who Roethlisberger puts in his sights when the Steelers need a big play. Even at the age of 35, Ward refuses to make any accommodations in his style of play. He continues to block like a demon and sell out on every pass that comes his way. It seems like he will continue to play until his body gives out.

Miller had 47 catches and is one of the better tight ends in the game. Nate Washington is often overlooked and can get downfield very well for a 4th receiver. He had 5 TD catches this year.

Roethlisberger is confident that his weapons are more than sufficient to trade points with the Jags and advance to a likely meeting with the Patriots in the divisional playoffs. However, he must get some cooperation from an offensive line that has given up 47 sacks. That?s something that Roethlisberger can?t overcome on his own, no matter how productive he has been this season.

If the Steelers are going to advance in the postseason, the run defense must improve, the blocking has to be solid and Big Ben has to show the world just how good he is ? once again.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22455884/
Sorry, but people seem to forget that GS was bad in that Super Bowl. The running game and the defense were the reasons that Pittsburgh beat Seattle in Super Bowl XL.
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Sorry, but people seem to forget that GS was bad in that Super Bowl. The running game and the defense were the reasons that Pittsburgh beat Seattle in Super Bowl XL.
I don't think the writer's point is that Ben (if that's what you meant - GS?) played well in XL -- we all know he didn't -- I think the point is that Ben is a vastly underrated quarterback who has improved dramatically this year, and he's still under the radar, thought of as a game manager who can't single-handedly win games for his team. In my opinion, he's done exactly that, more than once, this season.

While I still don't think we're going to be able to beat the Jags, I don't think that Ben will be the reason for the loss. We'll lose if the defense can't stop the run and can't get off the field.
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Good read---except Ward is 31 not 35.
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Sorry, but people seem to forget that GS was bad in that Super Bowl. The running game and the defense were the reasons that Pittsburgh beat Seattle in Super Bowl XL.
Yep, we'll just discount his performances in the other three playoff games leading up to that SB. Convenient.
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Sorry, but people seem to forget that GS was bad in that Super Bowl. The running game and the defense were the reasons that Pittsburgh beat Seattle in Super Bowl XL.
Actually no one seems to forget it. This might be the first article I've ever read that doesn't make mention of the fact that the Steelers won "in spite" of BR.

What no one seems to remember are the big plays he made in that game that got us the win----the 3rd and 28 conversion, the touchdown QB sneak, the huge block he threw to allow Randle El to make the throw to Ward.
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This is a team much like the late '80s and early '90s Dolphins, who would go as far as Marino could take them. The '07 Steelers will go as far as Roethlisberger can take them.

I think everyone is past the "game manager" label, and now Roethlisberger is seen as a force of his own. Now we need to put the team around him again. We have about 60% of the pieces.
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Yep, we'll just discount his performances in the other three playoff games leading up to that SB. Convenient.
Agree with you, 76...without Ben, we never would have survived Cincinnati or beat Indy and Denver (especially Indy -- IMO he's the reason we won). I remember reading one of the articles right after SBXL, where the writer mentioned that Ben broke down at his locker after the win, overwhelmed with emotion and angry at how he had played, and one of his teammates -- may have been Brett Keisel or Faneca, I forget now -- said to him (I'm paraphrasing) "you're the reason we're here; we never would have made it without you." Absolutely, 100% true IMO.

The next time Ben is in the Super Bowl -- and there will be a next time -- you won't see a repeat of his XL performance.
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Big Ben doesn't have to prove crap to me.

The O-Line and the defense need to prove to me that we are good enough to win it all. The receivers and QB are not a problem with this offense.

Offense wins games, Defense wins championships...time for the D to perform.
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Big Ben doesn't have to prove crap to me.

The O-Line and the defense need to prove to me that we are good enough to win it all. The receivers and QB are not a problem with this offense.

Offense wins games, Defense wins championships...time for the D to perform.
The starting receivers are OK, the 3-5 guys are below average.
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