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Old 01-06-2008, 12:40 PM   #21
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Pats fan here. yeah, im probably not very welcome, but i was rooting for the steelers last night, and it was miserable.
yeah, there were mistakes on both sides of the ball, and the officials blew a few calls. but your coach played not to lose. he tried to play it safe, and didnt play to win at the end. ben had been getting the underneath stuff all game, so why, when you needed to run out the clock, did the coach call three runs? the three runs wouldnt be so bad if the first two runs netted more than three yards. but a quarterback draw on third and seven? that just screams "i dont have confidence that my qb wont screw this up". im pissed at the coach, so i cannot imagine how you guys feel. the guy might as well have punted on second down because it would have been safer.
You are exactly right. I couldn't have said it any better myself.

There are 3 QB's going to the Pro Bowl, and Ben is the only one out of the 3 that his own coaches would not put it in his hand to get that 6 yards. Jacksonville wasn't stopping us all 2nd half and the coaching staff didn't play to win it. They played not to lose.

Whoever made the calls for the 2nd and 3rd down plays played scared, not with confidence.
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Old 01-06-2008, 12:47 PM   #22
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Id say we got screwed more by the refs. Where was the holding on that 2 pt conversion? Ward made a nice ass catch and they call it back..

even madden and michaels were saying they didn't see any holding.

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Thought me John and Al were the only ones that saw that play. That was a joke call and I hope that it counts against that refs' score for his/her check...
Good luck to the Patriots and Jaguars but I am pulling for the Chargers today and the Buccaneers.
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Id say we got screwed more by the refs. Where was the holding on that 2 pt conversion? Ward made a nice ass catch and they call it back..

even madden and michaels were saying they didn't see any holding.

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Leave the crying about refs to Holmgren. We lost because we let Garrard run up the middle for 30 yards on 4th down.
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Old 01-06-2008, 12:56 PM   #24
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Pats fan here. yeah, im probably not very welcome, but i was rooting for the steelers last night, and it was miserable.
yeah, there were mistakes on both sides of the ball, and the officials blew a few calls. but your coach played not to lose. he tried to play it safe, and didnt play to win at the end. ben had been getting the underneath stuff all game, so why, when you needed to run out the clock, did the coach call three runs? the three runs wouldnt be so bad if the first two runs netted more than three yards. but a quarterback draw on third and seven? that just screams "i dont have confidence that my qb wont screw this up". im pissed at the coach, so i cannot imagine how you guys feel. the guy might as well have punted on second down because it would have been safer.
One of the worst holding calls I have ever seen and the sad thing about it was it ruined a great catch. The Steelers lost on their last drive. Not going for the first down on their own 20. Stupid decision. Im not playing arm chair QB here and I dont care if I have never played or coached in the NFL before, but not going for a first down when your special teams sucks balls and you're at your own 20 AND!!!!! Your offense just scored 3 TDs in a quarter, what the hell told you that you wouldn't get at least ONE freakin first down to end the game.
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You are exactly right. I couldn't have said it any better myself.

There are 3 QB's going to the Pro Bowl, and Ben is the only one out of the 3 that his own coaches would not put it in his hand to get that 6 yards. Jacksonville wasn't stopping us all 2nd half and the coaching staff didn't play to win it. They played not to lose.

Whoever made the calls for the 2nd and 3rd down plays played scared, not with confidence.
But... but.. we DID put it in his hands to get those 6 yards. Ben is the only QB in the Pro Bowl that the coaches would have given the ball to to RUN for those 6 yards. Not Manning. Not Brady. Roethlisberger. A decent block, and we aren't having this discussion.
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....how many of those did you see yesterday ???
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Three interceptions and a kick returned 90+ yards are the reasons we lost, plain and simple. You can't overcome mistakes like that. Jacksonville was very lucky, because except for those mistakes, the Steelers out hit and outplayed them. I think Tomlin had them ready to play, and he sounded frustrated by the interceptions too, as when he spoke to Andrea Kramer at half-time
you do know that we did retake the lead AFTER all that ??? so i guess you CAN overcome mistakes.....
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Pats fan here. yeah, im probably not very welcome, but i was rooting for the steelers last night, and it was miserable.
yeah, there were mistakes on both sides of the ball, and the officials blew a few calls. but your coach played not to lose. he tried to play it safe, and didnt play to win at the end. ben had been getting the underneath stuff all game, so why, when you needed to run out the clock, did the coach call three runs? the three runs wouldnt be so bad if the first two runs netted more than three yards. but a quarterback draw on third and seven? that just screams "i dont have confidence that my qb wont screw this up". im pissed at the coach, so i cannot imagine how you guys feel. the guy might as well have punted on second down because it would have been safer.
I appreciate your input without taunting. You guys probably wanted our team in NE next weekend. Because you guys have been winning AFCCs and SBs at our team's expense. Well..., it is what it is--have to accept it as a fact of life.
Anyway, coming back to our coach's decision, he relies on his assistant coaches to send in the right plays. He is not an offensive expert. He is a rookie coach and he is still learning. Yeah, our passing game was working fairly well. But for some reason(perhaps, you are right), our coaches decided to go with cowardly plays. Shame on them.
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But for some reason(perhaps, you are right), our coaches decided to go with cowardly plays
finishing the sentence . . . .

"which our team did not execute".
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Looking back, we can both agree that obviously it didn't work!

What went wrong, as I see it:
Second, the play could still have worked, if the tackle hadn't turned upfield and not hit anyone. If he'd have continued going outside and picked a guy to hit, the outermost guy, BR had a chance to race the inner guy to the corner of the first down marker and the angle. Once BR turned up inside the tackle, it was over.
The bottom line is, great teams do not make the type of mistakes that our team made last night. Reasons: players lacking in character; lacking in talent; coaching not up to par...etc. It could be combination of all those factors. Our OL is definitely lacking in talent. Imagine how great Brady could have been if he didn't have a great OL.
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