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Old 01-16-2008, 05:40 PM   #11
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Default Re: Huckabee: Amend Constitution to be in 'God's standards'

What I am confused about is what exactly does he want to change in the constitution?
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Old 01-17-2008, 02:14 AM   #12
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OK. Which God? There is equal evidence for any of them. God is an item of faith, not proof, and should not have any place in the Constitution. This is a democracy, not a theocracy.

Huck's a nice guy, but he's a whack-job. But a lot of what he says makes sense... except that in the end he's a whack-job.
OK. I am not even going to touch the quote itself. I understand what he was saying... and going for, but it was very wrongly explained.

However, Mosca...

While I understand the word God is not in the constitution... the rights which the constitution defends are understood as being given by God... per the Declaration of Independence. The Constitution was not written in a vacuum, nor should it understood in a vacuum.

However, the God as discussed in the Dec. of Ind. is SPECIFICALLY left as a God of creation... a God of Deism, not necessary Theism. Thus, the God mentioned encompasses any God which any culture beleives in, as long as that concept of God created humans and endowed them with rights which can not be taken away.
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Old 01-17-2008, 05:51 AM   #13
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Default Re: Huckabee: Amend Constitution to be in 'God's standards'

The more I hear from Huckabee, the more I become concerned. Separation of Church and State exists for a reason. Look at Iran. If you want to believe and have faith that's terriffic. I support you 100%. That's why the churches were built. The government buildings were meant to help govern and the public schools meant to teach(sometimes). There are a lot of other avenues to explore and spread your faith. The White House is not and should not be one of them.
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Default Re: Huckabee: Amend Constitution to be in 'God's standards'

(Cough cough) I'm not saying anything here other than my money is on a McCain/Thompson ticket.
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(Cough cough) I'm not saying anything here other than my money is on a McCain/Thompson ticket.
I like McCain, but I don't see what Thompson brings to the ticket.
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He'll attract southern votes and he balances McCain's perceived near-Independent status.
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He'll attract southern votes and he balances McCain's perceived near-Independent status.
I think you overestimate how the South looks at Thompson. I think a guy like Charlie Crist would bring more to a Presidential ticket than Thompson would.
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Preacher, with all due respect, there is no place for deism in law, and the Constitution is law. The law has to stand among men, without invoking higher power, in order for it to govern men: "governments derive their just power from the consent of the governed", not from god. Otherwise you have "Christofascism". And I know that you don't think that your religion is so weak that it needs to be legislated at people, or imposed on people.
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Preacher, with all due respect, there is no place for deism in law, and the Constitution is law. The law has to stand among men, without invoking higher power, in order for it to govern men: "governments derive their just power from the consent of the governed", not from god. Otherwise you have "Christofascism". And I know that you don't think that your religion is so weak that it needs to be legislated at people, or imposed on people.
Thats not my point.

My point is that the original founders beleived that the rights of humans came from A God. Therefore, government could not take those rights away without due process. That is WHY your quote of "goverments derive their just power from the consent of those governed" proves my point. Why must they get that consent? Because the founding fathers believed that the God-given right of freedom could not be abated without the consent of those governed. THAT is the context of the constitution, which we learn from the declaration of independence. I consider it VERY important to keep both... not to institute a "Christian State" because there is no such thing. Rather, because the foundational underpinning of our government is that they DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to take away the rights of its citizens, because those rights were given to the citizens by a higher power.

To pull the constitution out of that context, and re-read it now in a vacuum is to do the constitution and founding fathers a great disservice.

Look how it plays out.

Why should the govt. not be involved in religion? Because God has given every human being the right/responsibility to seek God themselves.

Why does the govt. not have the right to limit travel outside of wartime situations? Because that would impinge on the God-given right of freedom.

Why does govt. etc. etc. etc.... You get the point.

Again, understand the term "God" here is not a 1 to 1 equation with Jesus, or even the Judea/Christian God.

It is a conceptual understanding of a creator, a creator who according to our founding fathers, created each of us with unalienable rights. The constitution is written to be a law which we have agreed to by governed by, the agreement coming because they NEEDED the agreement, as only we could give up our God-given right of absolute freedom and submit to a government.
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(Cough cough) I'm not saying anything here other than my money is on a McCain/Thompson ticket.
Hey Rev...

McCain/Thompson, while intriguing, won't fly I think.

McCain has isolated and ticked off too much of the base for the true base to come out and vote for him. I think they would stay home. In that case, Thompson would be no help.

My only hope at this point... is a brokered convention... with a new guy stepping in. Cause I still am not happy with anyone... Thompson just doesn't seem to want to run.
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