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Old 01-31-2008, 05:08 AM   #1
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Default Aussie_steeler mock draft V2

Aussie Steeler Mock Draft version 2

Things have been a bit slow for all of us draft geeks so I thought it was time for me to put up another mock draft, with changes due to the Senior bowl. I hope this stimulates a bit of debate and gets some discussion happening. ( I am so over this superbowl coverage)

I have changed a little from my first projection on the January 7th.

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Round 1 - OT Sam Baker ( I think he will be there) or CB Leodis McKelvin
Round 2 CB D. Rodgers - Cromartie or OT G. Cherilius
Round 3 - WR Adarius Bowman or G Roy Schuening
Round 4 - OG Eric Young or WR Paul Hubbard
Round 5 - RB Jacob Hester or DE Kendall Langford
Round 7 - OC F. Velasco or RB Ryan Torain


My second draft includes a trade. I believe that the first round graded OT?s will be gone by pick 23 so I have offered up a trade for best value. I think the 49er?s will still be smarting about giving up the 7th overall to the Pats and they will want to make amends. Martz will want a stud WR ( he likes Manningham by some reports) but the FO will also want a stud 3-4 DE. I am guessing Calais Campbell is available at #23 so the 49ers will want to have a serious go at him, so a trade is viable with the Steelers.

I propose for my mock draft that the Steelers trade their #23 in the first ( 760 points) to the 49er?s for their #40 in round 2 ( 500 points), #71 in round 3 ( 235 points) and their 6th round pick ( 24 points).

Mock draft version 2 ( February 1 2008)

Round 2 #40 Gosder Cherilius OT Boston College. 6?7 315lbs
Cherilius is a true right tackle that has a mean streak and can start from day one. Marvel Smith stays at Left OT and Starks is let go. Quick feet and long arms will allow him to handle RT. Leave Marvel at LT for another season and replace him down the line. I think his credentials have been made well aware by all draft nuts on this site so I wont go into any more detail. I think Right OT was the major weakness for 2007. Time to fix it.


Round 2 #56 Branden Albert OG / OT Virginia 6?7 315lbs
He is an instant replacement for Alan Faneca at left guard. Tall, strong with long arms. Wont be pushed off the ball or beaten by speed rushers. Will start for a year at left guard and quite possibly could move to Left tackle in 2009 if needed. Smash mouth run blocker who will play in the same style as Faneca. He will create running space for FWP alongside Marvel Smith. ( Maybe a higher pick come draft day)

I almost put Mike Pollack, center from Arizona State here. I am not convinced totally he is worth this high a pick considering he may not totally fit our system / style of running. Might be more of a zone blocking type scheme. This was one of the hardest picks to make. If a stud center were available I would take him in a heartbeat. Come April I expect both Albert and Godfrey to be on the rise.



Round 3 #71 Charles Godfrey CB Iowa 6?0 207lbs 4.38 sec
Godfrey is a fast cover guy who can and will play physical against the run. Spent time at FS in the senior bowl. Can turn and run with any receiver. Blazing speed that would suit the gunner role on special teams. Reads a lot like Ike and I think Tomlin will be keen to groom a DB to replace Deshea. Bryant McFadden will push for Townsend?s spot but is he the long-term solution? Instant help on special teams and will find a place in the secondary rotation. (with that speed he will likely move into the 2nd round)

Round 3 # 89 Kendall Langford RDE Hampton 6?6 275 lbs ( weighed heavier at Senior Bowl 290lbs I think)

Loads of people are talking about Langford. There are not many 3-4 DE?s with his physical stature and he has grabbed the attention of a lot of teams. I think this is a bit high for him to be taken but if we miss out on him our D line could be in trouble in terms of quality of depth. There is not much on offer except for Harrington from Texas A& M. Rotating Keisel and Langford could really help on the right side of the line.

Round 4 # 120 Quintin Demps FS / Kr Texas El-Paso 6?0 203 lbs

His strengths at free safety are his vision, nose for the ball and coverage abilities. Can also play corner back and as a Punt Returner he ranked 15th nationally in punt returns with a 13.3-yard average. This pick will allow the team to consider releasing Carter and moving Anthony Smith to strong safety. Demps and Godfrey would give Tomlin a young duo to work with for future roles. Remember that in the Steelers secondary defensive scheme players need almost two years to be ready to play fulltime, eg Troy, Ike, Hope. By this time Deshea will definitely be gone.

Round 5 # 151 Fernando Velasco OC Georgia 6?3 318 lbs
I was close to picking Pollack in round 2 but I believe this player is much better suited to the steeler way of playing and provides great value. Reports from NFLdraftscout.com show that ?Velasco possesses a strong punch and anchor that could make him a solid center candidate for a power running scheme. Could also play a strong drive blocking guard. Improving his footwork in pass protection could make him a very good pro?. Between Velasco and Stapleton one of these guys will be a major upgrade over Mahan. If not cut, Mahan will be left to compete for the left guard position (unsuccessfully).

Round 6 # 168 Ahtyba Rubin DT Iowa State 6?3 320 lbs
Casey Hampton needs a backup for future use in a rotation system to ensure that the NT position is not suffering from fatigue. Rubin reads like a raw version of Hampton who will make a good 3-4 NT. Senior bowl comments from NFLdraftscout.com ?A powerful nose tackle prospect who took on double teams and held his ground. In one-on-one drills, he got into his man and drove him back more often than not. Has a short, stout frame and plays with good strength and leverage. He lacks the burst teams want for the 4-3 alignment, but is stout enough at the point to possibly work as a nose guard prospect.?


Round 6 # 183 Jalen Parmele RB/ KR 6?0 222 lbsToledo

Time to reach with our last pick (maybe not?). Tomlin wants young special teamers and guys that will play hard. Look for Russell and Parmele to force Davenport out the door. His workout at the combine will probably see him on the rise. Parmele will be a nice counter punch to support Fast Willie Parker. I consider a linebacker here and maybe J Lehman would be a great option, For some reason his stocks seem to be falling. This pick needs to a special teams gamble in my view.

Reports from NFLdraftscout.com ?2007 PLAYER OF THE YEAR: TB Jalen Parmele stepped up with a huge season, rushing for 1,511 yards and 14 rushing touchdowns. A big-play threat in the kickoff return game as well, Parmele gobbled up all-purpose yards and topped the 100-yard mark for seven straight games.?


I hope this draft creates some discussion. It has taken some time to put together and I am keen to see how it measures up amongst the seasoned vets who live for this kind of stuff. As a result of these choices I realise my O line come mid season would therefore be M.Smith, B. Albert, F. Velasco, K. Simmons and G. Cherilius. Three rookie starting is hard to handle but our schedule is a monster and we might struggle to get above 500 whoever is on the line. Reshaping the O line this way would allow for the formation of a formidable core for the future.

Like all posters I know that until the combine has come and gone that this group of selections is bound to change. Feel free to blow off some steam and give me your thoughts (likes / dislikes). I am not precious so I can handle some constructive criticism.
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Old 01-31-2008, 06:04 AM   #2
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Well thought out....very nice.

I wasnt sold on Mike Pollack as a fit for our system either..but the senior bowl showed me that he has very nice technigue and more power than I had been led to believe. But I do agree that we can wait until the later rounds to pick up a center and I like both Legursky and Velasco on the second day.

I think if there is no value at OT at #23, there is a chance we go CB with the first pick...then pick up OT and OG in the 2nd & 3rd.

I still have hopes that we look to FA to take care of the LT side and move Smith to RT.

I am still thinking that Langford will be a stud and if he is gone I might take a gamble on Chris Norwell out of Illinois in the later rounds.

Possibly more value at picking up a FA WR than a third or fourth rounder....and if we dont look at OT in free agency I think that we may pick up a Veteran reciever...but IF we are looking at WR after the second round...I would take a flyer on Wisconsin's Paul Hubbard (6'4 4.47) who may be available in the later rounds due to missing 7 games to a knee injury.

Lehman is coming off an ankle injury and has now dropped to a 5th round projection
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These are my opinions, I Do Not Work for the NFL
1. Dolphins DT Glenn Dorsey LSU
2. Rams OT Jake Long Michigan
3. Falcons QB Matt Ryan Boston College
4. Raiders RB Darren McFadden Arkansas
5. Chiefs QB Brian Brohm Louisville
6. Jets DE Chris Long Virginia
7. Patriots (clev) DE/LB Vernon Gholston Ohio State
8. Ravens LB Keith Rivers USC
9. Bengals DT Sedrick Ellis USC
10. Saints S Kenny Phillips Miami, Fla
11. Bills DB Antoine Cason Arizona
12. Broncos LB Dan Conner Penn St.
13. Panthers DB Leodis McKelvin Troy
14. Bears DB Mike Jenkins South Fla.
15. Lions RB Jonathan Stewart Oregon
16. Arizona DE Calais Campbell Miami, Fla
17. Vikings QB Andre Woodson Kentucky (Bears are crying)
18. Texans WR DeSean Jackson California
19. Eagles OT Ryan Clady Boise St.
20. Tampa Bay DE Quintin Groves Auburn
21. Redskins OT Jeff Otah Pitt
22. Cowboys (Clev) DT Kentwan Balmer UNC
23 STEELERS OT Gosder Cherilus Boston College
24. Titans TE Fred Davis USC
25. Seattle RB Felix Jones Arkansas
26. Jaguars WR Malcolm Kelly Oklahoma
27. Chargers WR Limas Sweed Texas
28. Cowboys DB Reggie Smith Oklahoma
29. 49ers WR Early Doucet LSU
30. Green Bay OT Sam Baker USC
31. N.Y. Giants DB Aghib Talib Kansas
32. Forfeited
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Hey Aussie, I love the work that you put into your draft with all the info on each player, that takes alot of time and effort. I like your draft but, I really dont see Cherilus lasting that long bud, I think that if the Steelers dont take him the Packers will. The Steelers must get better and deeper on both lines, offense and defense to have a chance at next years tittle. I think that Smith at DE is as solid as there is here on this team right now, but the others are very suspect other than Hampton at NT. What ever happened to the Chris Hoke guy? I thought maybe he should be playing in the absence of Smith at DE.
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aussie, what makes you think the 9er's are lookin to move up? they do have the 29th pick, so why not trade that one to move up? thier second pick is only 10 spots away form thier first.
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aussie, what makes you think the 9er's are lookin to move up? they do have the 29th pick, so why not trade that one to move up? thier second pick is only 10 spots away form thier first.

I think they are cut about the Patriots getting the 7 pick. They could have had Gholston with that pick and been set for the next 10 years.

They really want a DE and that is the position they will have to move up for. IMO with two first rounders they meet both needs. If they sit where they are they miss that blue chip DE. With their current first round pick they are a lock to get the WR they want. Their options change a little with the second rounder and may have to look at best player available.

In all truth I am just trying to find a way for us to pool more picks so that we can provide some talent for the future on both O line, D line and secondary. I just dont see with 6 picks finding a way to provide the upgrades that are warranted.
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Well thought out....very nice.


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I wasnt sold on Mike Pollack as a fit for our system either..but the senior bowl showed me that he has very nice technigue and more power than I had been led to believe. But I do agree that we can wait until the later rounds to pick up a center and I like both Legursky and Velasco on the second day.
Someone is going to invest heavily in Pollack. He is not a Nick Mangold but he will be good. If you look through all the rosters most quality centers develop over time and usually have come late in the draft.

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I think if there is no value at OT at #23, there is a chance we go CB with the first pick...then pick up OT and OG in the 2nd & 3rd.
I still have hopes that we look to FA to take care of the LT side and move Smith to RT.
A corner back would be great value, but they would have to be a return specialist to get playing time in the first year. Our system takes time to learn and as a CB they wont make in instant impact. This draft is loaded with quality CB's

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I am still thinking that Langford will be a stud and if he is gone I might take a gamble on Chris Norwell out of Illinois in the later rounds.
This draft is very light with tall run stopping 3-4 DE's. There could be a big drop off after the round 4 projections. I will check out Norwell


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Possibly more value at picking up a FA WR than a third or fourth rounder....and if we dont look at OT in free agency I think that we may pick up a Veteran reciever...but IF we are looking at WR after the second round...I would take a flyer on Wisconsin's Paul Hubbard (6'4 4.47) who may be available in the later rounds due to missing 7 games to a knee injury.
WIth a weak O Line Ben still put up career numbers. I give the receivers plenty of credit for their play last season. I am prepared to give Dallas Baker a chance instead of Wilson. A stud WR is needed in a couple of years to eventually replace Hines. I think we can wait another year. Willie Reid will also get a chance to step


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Lehman is coming off an ankle injury and has now dropped to a 5th round projection
Lehman could be the best value pick of the whole draft if he stays where he is currently projected. He will be a special teams demon that would eventually make his way into a teams starting lineup. I love his passion and determination. He really looks like he is a player.

What are you thoughts on the make up of our safeties? There balance just doesnt seem right to me. The return of Ryan Clark will help but what are the best options for depth behind Troy at Strong Safety?
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I think they are cut about the Patriots getting the 7 pick. They could have had Gholston with that pick and been set for the next 10 years.

They really want a DE and that is the position they will have to move up for. IMO with two first rounders they meet both needs. If they sit where they are they miss that blue chip DE. With their current first round pick they are a lock to get the WR they want. Their options change a little with the second rounder and may have to look at best player available.

In all truth I am just trying to find a way for us to pool more picks so that we can provide some talent for the future on both O line, D line and secondary. I just dont see with 6 picks finding a way to provide the upgrades that are warranted.
well, here's the flaw in your thinking....san fran uses the 3 - 4 defense....gholston doesn't have the size to play DE in a 3-4....so he'd have to be an olber. the problem there is he has 0 experience in pass coverage. they could possably land calias campbell or kentwan balmer at 29.
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Are they prepared to sit back and watch Campbell slip by? I dont know know. If they are sold on Balmer then they sit and take him with no stress at 29. Then in the second they can still pick up a WR. I am just hoping that stress might induce an itchy trigger finger and a trade come our way.

I just wonder what kind of influence Martz will have? He will want a WR to groom in his new offence. Who will will the face off that might eventuate?

I know that their is less than a 5% chance of my scenario ever developing. I just hope that we can manage to score an extra pick or two somewhere to help with depth on both lines.
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Are they prepared to sit back and watch Campbell slip by? I dont know know. If they are sold on Balmer then they sit and take him with no stress at 29. Then in the second they can still pick up a WR. I am just hoping that stress might induce an itchy trigger finger and a trade come our way.

I just wonder what kind of influence Martz will have? He will want a WR to groom in his new offence. Who will will the face off that might eventuate?

I know that their is less than a 5% chance of my scenario ever developing. I just hope that we can manage to score an extra pick or two somewhere to help with depth on both lines.
i'm thinkin thier gonna go WR in the 1st, and they can still grab dre moore or trevor laws in the 2nd.
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