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Old 02-24-2008, 12:31 PM   #1
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Default Combine Notes

Interesting article...here was the note that blew my mind.


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One lineman who didn't really impress was Jeff Otah with his 5.56 40 yd time and only 27 benches. not horrible, but as a 332 pounder he also looks a little soft as well. he is going to need a really good pro day or he will probably drop.
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http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/...bine/notes.htm
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Old 02-24-2008, 06:26 PM   #2
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i also read somewhere that chris williams ran sub 5.0... i'm not sure of that but i did hear he cemented his status as a 1st rounder
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Default Re: Combine Notes

Otah hurt his stock a little with his performance. I am a little scared with him as a prospect in the black and gold.

Going on todays notes another to really hurt their stock was Adarius Bowman WR. He looks like he will free fall from a potential first rounder earlier this year.
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when is the combine over or did it already end
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I think the combine ends on tuesday.

Have to remember that this is just another part of the evaluation process. Watching game film is very important.

Chad Johnson was a first rounder until he ran a 4.55 at the combine and slipped to the second round. Sinorice Moss and Chad Jackson's stock rose when they posted fast 40 times.

Otah's combine doesnt worry me much. Williams combine is good, but the film says he is not a dominant run blocker which doesnt fit the Steelers. Cherilus can run block, but his work says he will be a turnstile with speed rushers. Carl Nicks is a good fit at RT, but a reach at #23.
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i also read somewhere that chris williams ran sub 5.0... i'm not sure of that but i did hear he cemented his status as a 1st rounder
Chris Williams ran a 5.17...showed up at 6'6...315 lbs...8'7 broadjump and 21 reps on the 225 lbs weights which hurts his stock
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for what its worth, pat kirwan took a call from a steelerfan and said going otah in the 1st and baker in the 2nd would get our line right where it needs to be. kirwan said otah has done nothing to hurt his stock in the combine and if nothing, it was rising and he may not be there for the steelers. some gm's and scouts told him they have otah rated right up there with long.

Maybe it's time the combine evaluations were reevaluated

http://www.nfl.com/combine/story;jse...o&confirm=true

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INDIANAPOLIS -- I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but the NFL Scouting Combine can be a very dangerous event if it is given a priority place in the evaluation of football talent.


Picture a mass of buff 20-somethings in their socks holding x-rays, walking into training rooms and preparing for interview sessions. That is the unseen part of the NFL Scouting Combine. Aside from the on-field drills and press conferences, it is the medical evaluations and interviews occuring in the back hallways that define this annual event. Read More ... All of a sudden there are people all over America interpreting combine results like they can tell what kind of football player a guy can be. I can't tell you how many NFL personnel people and coaches are frustrated with what they are looking at on the field in front of them and in the interview rooms at the combine.

As one long-time NFL executive said this week, "The tests had there place in helping us determine certain traits we were looking for but now the kids rehearse the combine tests so much that it is not the indicator it once was, and the smart football people are discounting the results."

Another coach said he is still laughing about a comment he read from a writer who said a certain player really had to do well on his bench press test to prove he could play defensive tackle in the NFL. I can walk into any decent gym in America and find a guy who can throw up 225 pounds 30 times ... but he can't play football.

In many ways the combine can be a haven for the workout warrior. An underachieving player with great athletic ability can shine and set the bait for a team to overrate him. On the other side of the coin, a hard-working, smart football player with average skills and great production can look downright awful in shorts and have his draft status crumble.

What would be said about a guy like Zack Thomas after a weekend in Indianapolis today? Did the combine process produce an image of Marques Colston as a slow receiver with inconsistent hands?

The whole concept of getting to know the candidates through the interview process has also turned into a caution-flag event. The athletes are so well rehearsed it reminds me of a guy giving a deposition in a pre-trial hearing. The best interviewers in the NFL take the players out of their comfort zone and bring them to an unprepared area.

One smart head coach [bill belichick] turns the lights out the second the kid gets in the room and runs college game tape where the guy is playing poorly. The coach wants to hear what the player has to say about his performance, who is to blame for the problems, and what did he do to improve. Then the player is shown another tape from two weeks later and the coach points out that the player didn't improve at all.

Teams should drill down, if you will, and not waste time asking about the three most important things in the player's life, a question the candidates practice a thousand times. Another head coach I sat in with during an interview kept talking to me and ignored the player until he was uncomfortable. He just waited for the kid to sell himself. Needless to say the young man was not prepared for that approach and failed miserably.

My favorite move of all time was done by Tampa Bay coach Jon Gruden. When a quarterback entered his room for an interview, Gruden pushed a desk chair at him and asked the guy to call the toughest play in his college play book, then use the chair as a center, check to another play, and "Let me hear your hard count." The kid couldn't do it. Gruden then told the player, "If I draft you and put you on the field with a huddle full of veterans and you struggle like you just did, they will ask to get you off the field."

Bill Cowher has told me many times that he had a way of talking to a prospect and knowing quickly if the player had what it took to be a Steeler. Apparently his "feel" was effective because most observers would agree the Steelers had a lot of similar traits in their players.

Some clubs just never get a feel for a guy. Not when they take out their questionnaire form in front of a young man who has been to 10 different interviews, and the player just fills in the responses to the standard questions.


The 2008 draft has its fair share of questionable character guys, and letting them skate by with a weak answer isn't good enough when big money is involved at draft time. A lot of teams like to videotape the interviews for further review.

One suggestion I had for a GM who was frustrated with the artificial interview process was to have the players wait to be interviewed and have him play a video game; they might learn more from video taping his behavior during the video game than from the interview itself.

The really smart teams pay very close attention to the medical exam process during the combine. There are a few teams that create a tremendous medical competitive advantage for themselves if they have the right team of doctors on staff.

It's easy to reject players for medical reasons, but a few teams, like the San Diego Chargers, have taken players with injury pasts, when other teams downgraded similar players off their physical exams. The Chargers took cornerback Antonio Cromartie in the first round of the 2006 draft despite him suffering a severe knee injury that forced him to miss his entire junior season at Florida State, his final one with the Seminoles.

As we start hearing all the numbers coming out of Indianapolis this week there's nothing at the combine that measures the following things:

1. Does he have football intelligence?
2. Does a defender have the ability to key and diagnose a situation?
3. Does a defender have the ability to disengage a block?
4. Can a guy tackle?
5. Can he learn and adjust?
6. How does a guy prepare?
7. Can he catch a pass in traffic?
8. Can he really read a coverage?
9. Does he have a counter move?
10. What will he do when you put money in his pocket?

There's no doubt that some player is going to run a 4.4 40-yard dash this weekend and jump past four or five players at his position who ran a 4.5, while none of the 10 questions above were ever answered.

That's dangerous.
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http://www.nfl.com/combine/story;jse...o&confirm=true

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Michigan OT Jake Long has been close to the top of most mock draft boards for some time, but despite his ideal size (6-7, 325), he doesn't possess the natural strength, athleticism or quickness to project to left tackle. He's more of a dominant run blocker who could line up on the right side. One prominent NFL talent evaluator described him as the next Jon Runyan.

Jake Long will still be a very good pro, but teams aren't likely to trade away picks or players for a right tackle. Instead, they could find rising players with growth potential in picks 8-15, like Pittsburgh's Jeff Otah and Boise State's Ryan Clady, players who could develop into cornerstone tackles on the left side. Both could end up in the top 10.
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That is interesting....Otah in the first to play T and Baker can play any of the 4 G or T spots. I would not be outraged by that, but really believe we need to get younger and better on the D-line as well.
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Mike Tomlin's "feel" is apparently a little different than Cowher's...

"I 'feel' like drafting whoever, whenever"

Of course... I KEED...

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That is interesting....Otah in the first to play T and Baker can play any of the 4 G or T spots. I would not be outraged by that, but really believe we need to get younger and better on the D-line as well.
As much as I'm sure we won't be splish splashing around in the FA pool, I'm not going to decide what I want in round one until that whole ordeal is over.

I agree though... I couldn't argue with that...
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