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Old 03-17-2008, 02:07 AM   #1
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Default Paolantonio levels Favre with absurd criticism


Brett Favre's retirement announcement last week was greeted with tributes, magazine covers, newspaper special sections and every form of adulation imaginable.

The legendary Favre is a lock to become a first-ballot Pro Football Hall of Famer. When all-time great NFL quarterbacks are debated, Favre will be part of the discussion.

However, not everyone is fawning over Favre. With the ferocity of a blindside sack, ESPN's Sal Paolantonio called Favre overrated and argued the last decade of his career was pedestrian. Paolantonio not only attacked Favre's credentials, but blasted the media for heaping undeserved praise on the quarterback.

It's an absurd notion, particularly coming from an experienced pro football observer.

Having witnessed the Packers' starting quarterback first-hand since 1992, my job has been to call it like I see it, with no vested interest in defending Favre and no reason to inflate his career accomplishments. The unemotional, objective facts show clearly that over the wide arc of his career, Favre was brilliant.

Paolantonio bases the bulk of his argument on the quarterback's playoff record in the past decade, when the Packers were 3-7 and Favre posted a mediocre passer rating of 77.8. He cites Favre's overtime interceptions in playoff losses to Philadelphia in 2004 and the New York Giants in January as examples of a player not nearly as good as his press clippings.

That narrow view fails to acknowledge that without Favre, the Packers in many cases never would have qualified for the playoffs. One measure of a great player is how he makes his teammates better, and Favre was the master at elevating players around him.

For example, Favre's starting receivers in 2001 were an aging Antonio Freeman and an ordinary Bill Schroeder. Yet the Packers produced a remarkable 12-4 record, largely due to Favre and his 94.1 quarterback rating.

Paolantonio would discount that season because the Packers lost a divisional playoff game to the St. Louis Rams. Yes, Favre played poorly, but the Rams were a superior team and it would have taken a perfect game to beat them on their home field.

Consider that in 2007, Favre was surrounded by the youngest roster in the NFL, but on the strength of a career-best 66.5 completion percentage and quarterback rating of 95.7, he willed the Packers to a jaw-dropping 13-3 record and berth in the NFC championship game.

Yet Paolantonio defines Favre's season by a playoff interception, and concludes: "Favre was among the best in the game, once upon a time. Those days are long gone."

Huh? Was Paolantonio too busy blow-drying his hair to notice Favre, at 38, was among the top three quarterbacks in the league?

Sure, Favre threw his share of costly picks. But his gun-slinging approach is the reason the Packers were the winningest team in the NFL during his starting tenure and suffered just one losing record in 16 seasons.

In Paolantonio's view, Favre was a failure every year the Packers didn't win the Super Bowl.

But during Favre's long stint in Green Bay, only one teammate ? Reggie White ? was a Pro Football Hall of Famer. That more than anything explains why the Packers captured just one championship with Favre.

Is that making an excuse for Favre, as Paolantonio would suggest?

In reality, Favre doesn't need excuses. He has more victories, passing yards, completions, touchdowns and consecutive starts than any quarterback in NFL history.

His record speaks for itself.
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Old 03-17-2008, 08:27 AM   #2
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Default Re: Paolantonio levels Favre with absurd criticism

I guess I haven't had enough coffee yet - I read this as "Polamalu levels Favre etc" and thought, WTF?!? Hee.

All Favre did was set new records every time he stepped out on the field last year. Big deal. He certainly doesn't deserve to be a first-rounder. *rolls eyes*

I guess Marino shouldn't be in the HOF either - he didn't win a SB at all, did he?
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Old 03-17-2008, 09:35 AM   #3
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Default Re: Paolantonio levels Favre with absurd criticism

What a hater, Favre was one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.

Paolantonio would probally dismiss his records because "he was around for so long".

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Old 03-17-2008, 09:38 AM   #4
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ESPN's Sal Paolantonio called Favre overrated....
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i guess going to 2 superbowl's and winning one of them is him being a over-rated qb..

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Favre was good, but there's atleast 10 qb's I'd rather have instead of him. I don't think he's nearly the greatest of all time. He just played for long that his numbers are far ahead of everyone's.
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Default Re: Paolantonio levels Favre with absurd criticism

If he hadn't had the kinds of seasons he had the last two years, that article would be dead on.
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the thing about favre is he always kept the packers as a competitive team. sure, he threw a lot of picks, but that gunslinger mentality and never give up attitude is what he'll be remembered for, and that's something many qbs are missing

I remember growing up I didn't really cheer for any nfl team, but every sunday there he was, the man in green, #4 of the packers. the guy who would take any hit and fought to the end. the guy who wasn't intimidated by anything, not even by warren sapp.

overrated? who's not overrated nowadays? his records will be broken someday, but his image will prevail forever

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indeed he is. and really, how many legends are there? not that much

favre was not only a qb, he was a football player, and a pretty darn good one
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I'm so tired of "talking heads" trying to get attention by saying something ridiculous.

"I'm going to be controversial, Favre is over rated" and now he gets attention for saying something and "stirring the pot"

Sal can shove his "evaluation" up his own arse as far as I'm concerned.

Packers had 1 Playoff season in the 16 years prior to Favre, and Favre had one losing season since he was the packers starting QB. That is why the man is Legend. He turned around a Franchise that spent 25 years as a complete joke and made it relevant again.
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Brett Favre's legacy will live on - he may not be the "best QB" in NFL history (depending on what defines "best"), but he is the QB who had the most character and heart, imho.

It will be odd watching the Pack this coming season without #4 behind center.

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