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Old 05-07-2008, 08:38 PM   #1
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Default Walsh turned over 8 tapes. Steelers included

heres a bit of a preview of what we will probably hear about may 13.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/sp...in&oref=slogin

A former New England Patriots employee has sent the N.F.L. eight videotapes showing the team recorded play-calling signals by coaches of five opponents in six games between the 2000 and 2002 seasons, in violation of league rules.
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But the group of tapes does not include video of the St. Louis Rams’ walk-through practice the day before the 2002 Super Bowl. The employee, Matt Walsh, had been linked to such a tape by news media speculation.

Walsh emerged as a pivotal figure in the spying controversy that enveloped the Patriots last season after they were caught taping Jets defensive signals in the season opener.

Walsh, who worked for the Patriots from 1997 to 2003, agreed to turn over the tapes and other evidence by Thursday under an agreement reached last month between lawyers for the N.F.L. and Walsh. The agreement indemnifies Walsh from all future legal fees.

Walsh’s tapes show that the Patriots recorded the signals of offensive and defensive coaches in regular-season games against the Miami Dolphins, the Buffalo Bills, the Cleveland Browns and the San Diego Chargers and against the Pittsburgh Steelers in the 2002 American Football Conference championship game. In that game, the tape has been edited to show Steelers coaches signaling plays, followed by two different camera angles of the actual plays that were called.

The New York Times obtained a list of the Walsh videotapes. The information was later confirmed by Walsh’s lawyer, Michael Levy, from the Washington offices of McKee Nelson.

The N.F.L. declined to comment Wednesday evening because it did not have the tapes in its possession.

The Boston Herald reported the day before this year’s Super Bowl that a tape of the Rams existed, citing an anonymous source.

Walsh does not possess such a tape, Levy said.

“Mr. Walsh has never claimed to have a tape of the walk-through,” Levy said in a telephone interview. “Mr. Walsh has never been the source of any of the media speculation about such a tape. Mr. Walsh was not the source for the Feb. 2 Boston Herald article.”

On Tuesday, Walsh is scheduled to speak with Commissioner Roger Goodell and Senator Arlen Specter in separate meetings. Walsh could provide additional information at that time, including how the taping worked, how extensive it was, which Patriots employees were involved and the significance of the evidence he handed over.

The first tape is dated Sept. 25, 2000, from a game the previous day. The last is from Sept. 29 two years later. All the tapes are scheduled to arrive at N.F.L. offices Thursday morning.

Levy would not say whether Walsh was behind the camera on each tape, but confirmed that Walsh obtained the first seven tapes during his time in the Patriots’ video department, which ended after the 2002 Super Bowl.

The last tape, in September 2002 against the Chargers, was shot by someone else after Walsh left the video department for a job in the scouting department that ended in early 2003.

The Chargers tape shows raw footage, Levy said, of the San Diego coaches from the Patriots’ sideline, followed by a shot of the scoreboard showing time, down and distance. The tape contains no footage of actual plays during the game, only the sequence, which the Patriots could match to play tape.

The other seven tapes are more sophisticated. They show shots of the opposing coaches’ signals, followed immediately by a shot of the play, usually from the end zone camera, Levy said.

The tape from the A.F.C. championship game is the most extensive, showing two angles of each play.

Goodell has left open the possibility that additional evidence will lead to additional penalties against Coach Bill Belichick and the Patriots. After the Jets game, Goodell levied a total of $750,000 in fines and docked the Patriots a first-round draft pick.

After this year’s Super Bowl, Goodell met with Specter and revealed for the first time that Belichick’s illegal signal filming dated to the beginning of his tenure with the Patriots, in 2000. Some accounts said Belichick admitted to taping defensive signals, others just signals in general.

At the Super Bowl, Goodell said of the Patriots’ practice of taping, “I don’t think it taints their accomplishments.”

Under Belichick, the Patriots rose from one of the league’s middling teams to its best, winning three Super Bowls in four seasons. Last season, they went undefeated until losing to the Giants in the Super Bowl.

Based on a win-loss tally from games after the ones on tapes provided by Walsh, the Patriots went 9-6 against the Dolphins after the first taping. They also went 12-1 against the Bills, 3-0 against the Browns, 4-1 against the Steelers and 3-1 against the Chargers. This included three victories and no defeats in the playoffs.

“We consider the tapes of our coaching staff during our games against the New England Patriots to be a nonissue,” the Steelers chairman Dan Rooney said in a statement released in February.

Telephone messages to the five teams left Wednesday night were not returned.

Since Belichick’s first season in New England, when the Patriots finished 5-11 in 2000, they have gone 86-26 in the regular season, a .768 winning percentage. It remains unclear whether the league will make the tapes public. During the initial investigation into the Patriots, the league accepted seven tapes gathered by the team, dating to 2006, while collecting a written promise that it possessed no more. The N.F.L. destroyed the tapes that the Patriots turned over.

Under the indemnity agreement, Walsh’s lawyer gets to keep one copy of each tape, but cannot release it without the league’s consent.
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could the hammer start to fall on the pats now?
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...The Boston Herald reported the day before this year’s Super Bowl that a tape of the Rams existed, citing an anonymous source.

Walsh does not possess such a tape, Levy said.

“Mr. Walsh has never claimed to have a tape of the walk-through,” Levy said in a telephone interview. “Mr. Walsh has never been the source of any of the media speculation about such a tape. Mr. Walsh was not the source for the Feb. 2 Boston Herald article...”
Can anyone help me with this WALK-THROUGH part? What does it mean? Why this one so serious than the other tapes that they made? PLEASE
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Walsh’s tapes show that the Patriots recorded the signals of offensive and defensive coaches in regular-season games against the Miami Dolphins, the Buffalo Bills, the Cleveland Browns and the San Diego Chargers and against the Pittsburgh Steelers in the 2002 American Football Conference championship game
Whoa! now offensive signals too. not that it should surprise us

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Based on a win-loss tally from games after the ones on tapes provided by Walsh, the Patriots went 9-6 against the Dolphins after the first taping. They also went 12-1 against the Bills, 3-0 against the Browns, 4-1 against the Steelers and 3-1 against the Chargers. This included three victories and no defeats in the playoffs.
coincidence? I don't think so

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as long as goodell doesn't destroy them

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Can anyone help me with this WALK-THROUGH part? What does it mean? Why this one so serious than the other tapes that they made? PLEASE
I'm not an expert on this by any means...but as far as I understand...

Teams generally do a "walk-through" of their scripted plays and packages that they will run in the upcoming game a day or two before the actual game. Usually it's the last practice before gameday. Basically, if another team taped it, it would be like cracking a secret code during war time...

That's, of course, just how I understand it. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.


Being a Steelers fan, I would REALLY like to see that tape of the 02 AFCCG...that just irks me in the extreme. I hope Goodell starts swingin' the hammer hard. We might be called a Nation Felons League, but we should NEVER have to be called the National Cheaters League.

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Come on guys the Steelers special teams gave up two TDs in that AFC title game against the Pats.....One was on a re punt thanks to Troy Edwards making a stupid penalty on the first punt when the Steelers coverage did contain Troy Brown.....I doubt the tape also effected the blocked field goal......Just saying if the Steelers had sound special teams that day we win that game......

I hate the Pats to and I think they should have been punished more for thinking that they were bigger then the NFL.....But I'm not blaming the tapes for the loss in that game.....I also won't blame spy gate for the AFC title game loss to the Pats in Ben's rookie year...Ben was a rookie and it showed in that game...even though he made a nice comeback attempt in that game...

Again I think the Pats should have been punished hard for their arrogance......But how much did the tapes play a part? I think its something we will never know....which sucks and I won't knock anybody for thinking their dynasty is tainted...Thats your right and you do have a point...I just wish this whole story would go away....I'm tired of hearing about...I just hope we crush the Pats this year and knock the crap out Tom Brady....I don't care if the Steelers end his career...I don't like to root for injury on a player but I'm so tired of Tom Brady also...lol
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Much ado about nothing at this point. Goodell isn't going to do any more to penalize the Pats* than he's already done and I'm tired of hearing about it already.
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so whats the most that can happen to the pats?
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i want to see those tapes realeased to the public so we can see how what they were actually taping
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