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Old 05-08-2008, 10:20 PM   #21
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I believe that the NFL and Comish. should drop it.........What happened happened.

They should only look at what happends from here on out.
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I believe that the NFL and Comish. should drop it.........What happened happened.

They should only look at what happends from here on out.
That makes no sence when someone kills someone he isnt let off becuase it happend a while ago, when someone commits a crime the court system works and works untill they can prove him guilty and then they punish him, in the nfl it would be messed up to so oh well they did it its to bad, because whos to say another team might cheat or even the pats again, what ever they need to be punished.
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:24 PM   #23
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Default One tape turned over by Walsh shows Patriots also stole offensive signals

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...ike&id=3387401

Amazing how much these Patriots cheated its horrible

"From Day 1 of the Spygate saga in September, the controversy over New England's illicit videotaping practices has centered on the Patriots' efforts to steal their opponents' defensive signals. But the tapes delivered via FedEx to NFL headquarters in New York on Thursday morning also include evidence of an effort by New England to steal offensive signals, which would broaden the extent of the team's surveillance operation.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and staff members began viewing the eight tapes within hours of their long-awaited delivery, in anticipation of Tuesday's scheduled interview with former Patriots video assistant Matt Walsh. As part of an indemnification pact reached last month with the league, Walsh agreed to turn over any videotapes or related materials he had from his tenure with the team.

Perhaps the surprise entry on the list of videotaping documents Walsh turned over to the league was tape No. 3, labeled "OFF Signals" from New England's game against the Miami Dolphins on Oct. 7, 2001. That is the only tape labeled as such on a copy of the list obtained by ESPN.com. Walsh's attorney, Michael Levy, confirmed it was the lone footage in Walsh's possession of offensive coaches' signaling from the sidelines.

"[It] contains shots of Miami's offensive coaches signaling Miami's offensive players, followed by a shot from the end zone camera of Miami's offensive play, followed by a shot of Miami's offensive coaches signaling Miami's offensive players for the next play, then edited to be followed by a shot of the subsequent Miami offensive play," Levy said of the tape. "And that pattern repeats throughout the entire tape, with occasional cuts to the scoreboard."

Goodell has made repeated references to the stealing of defensive signals by New England. That is, in part, presumably because the league has allowed direct radio communication from a coach to the quarterback since the 1994 season, diminishing the need for hand signals.

"We don't know [about attempts to steal offensive signals] yet because we haven't looked at the tapes," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said Thursday before the league had completed its review of the new evidence. "All we have is the list supplied last night [by Walsh's attorney]. One of them is labeled 'OFF signals.' None of others are listed that way. Let us look at the tapes and we'll have more to say about that.

"The rule which the Patriots violated was the policy that prohibits use of equipment for the taping of offensive or defense signals. I know there've been references to defensive signals, which is more logical. But let us look at the tapes and verify what is on there."

Although Walsh turned over eight tapes this week, the number of games in which he personally videotaped opposing coaches is unclear. One source told ESPN.com that it "absolutely" is not the case that the six games on the eight tapes are the only instances the Patriots taped opponents during Walsh's tenure with the team.

One of the eight tapes in the package was shot by someone other than Walsh. It is a Sept. 29, 2002, game against San Diego, which was shot after Walsh was promoted from the video department. That tape captures just the coaches on the sideline, and the scoreboard before the game action is edited in.

The Patriots declined the opportunity to comment on Thursday.

The advancing sophistication in New England's videotaping practices apparently is also evident on the tapes, which begin with a Sept. 25, 2000, game against Miami and run through that 2002 game against San Diego. It's also obvious throughout that the video shooter has one job on game day: to capture the opposing team's sideline coaches.

In one of the last tapes that Walsh shot -- the 2002 AFC Championship Game against the Pittsburgh Steelers -- the finished product includes sideline footage of the Pittsburgh coaches sending in signals, followed by a scan of the scoreboard that captures down, distance and game time, followed by two separate shots of the ensuing play, one from above the press box and the other from an end zone camera.

"The other seven tapes show the final product, which is a series of coaches' signals, followed by the play, followed by coaches' signals and then the next play -- all lined up one after another," said Levy, who represents Walsh. "So the final videotapes contain the opposing coaches' signals lined up directly with the play that was run, one after another."

Goodell is likely to quiz Walsh on these issues at their meeting scheduled for 7:30 a.m. Tuesday. Walsh is scheduled to travel to Washington, D.C., later in the day to meet with Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter, the ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Specter has been critical of the NFL for destroying evidence turned over in September by New England, including six other tapes and notes from other taped games. Although those tapes only date back to the 2006 season, Aiello, the NFL spokesperson, said Thursday the notes dated to at least the 2002 season.

The notes were destroyed, and Aiello said he is uncertain whether there is any record of the games involved. He did say that Goodell previously informed Specter that details on the taping of the 2002 AFC championship, as well as three other games with Pittsburgh, were part of the notes.

Aiello said it has yet to be decided whether the Walsh tapes will be made public. But as the tapes arrived at the league office in New York, officials were relieved to find the package didn't include a long-rumored video of the St. Louis Rams' walk-through practice the day before the 2002 Super Bowl, which would have put a huge cloud over the league's marquee event.

"That is fair assumption," Aiello said of the feelings of relief in the league office. "I'd rather leave those questions and answers to the commissioner, but it's unfortunate that that had been reported, and apparently there's no substance to it."
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former head coach of the vikings and cardinals was asked to comment on these latest developments-

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= cheats + frauds *(x's & o's = 0)

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people are saying that because they've already been punished and admited that they did spy on these teams spygate will officially end..

that's just great... they were let completely off the hook... great job goodell great job.. be proud of yourself
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people are saying that because they've already been punished and admited that they did spy on these teams spygate will officially end..

that's just great... they were let completely off the hook... great job goodell great job.. be proud of yourself
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It's comical that it's basically looked at as if it's just the "O hum, same ol same ol"! I mean, the pats* are being viewed just like Charles Barkley! Barkley Say's something totally off the cuff and offensive, but it's just "Charles being Charles"...a new tape emerges of the pats* taping the offence and it's "Just the Pats* being the Pats*".
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its gunna be hard to watch the nfl in coming years knowing what the Pats did and not being punished its BS
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I'm just sick of hearing about this junk. If they werent going to do anything to the patriots, what is the big deal about getting the tapes? This is just stupid the way the NFL comish is handling things. I just dont think that he knows really what he is doing. Tagliabue just picked the wrong person for this job this time I think.
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Maybe the NFL, Belicheat* and some of you feel the matter should be dropped, but there is a certain PA Senator who doesn't feel that way.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08130/880440-66.stm

Specter still skeptical; Steelers await results
NFL says tapes reveal nothing new


Friday, May 09, 2008
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

While the NFL said that videotapes turned over to it in the New England Patriots' spying scandal would reveal nothing new, Sen. Arlen Specter told the Post-Gazette last night that he's not ready to end his inquiry into the matter and that he remains skeptical.

The tapes might actually support the Patriots' contention that they turned all of their evidence of illegal taping over to the NFL.

Although an NFL spokesman said yesterday that league personnel have not yet reviewed the eight tapes, the New York Times reported they show questionable footage of five opponents in six games between the 2000 and 2002 seasons. The most extensive footage involved New England's victory in the AFC championship game against the Steelers in '02 at Heinz Field, the newspaper reported.

Because the Patriots previously acknowledged to the commissioner that they had illegally taped coaching signals in those games, they likely would face no further sanctions from the league.

"What we received [Wednesday] night is a list of the eight tapes that were delivered today," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told the Post-Gazette. "The list indicates that all eight tapes are of opposing coaches' signals, which is consistent with what we already know.

"There is no Rams walk-through tape on the list."

That latter bit of information might be the key to ending the drawn-out matter, which resulted in NFL commissioner Roger Goodell fining the Patriots $250,000 and coach Bill Belichick $500,000 last fall, when the illegal taping was first exposed. He also made New England forfeit a first-round pick in the 2008 draft.

Matt Walsh, a former Patriots video employee who turned over the eight tapes still in his possession, will meet Tuesday morning with Goodell to discuss the issue. Aiello said the commissioner will have a news conference after that meeting, but he did no know if the tapes would be made public.

Walsh then will meet with Specter, R-Pa., in Washington. Specter has been a vocal critic of the way the NFL has handled the case and remained so yesterday.

Specter hopes to find out the details of the taping and how far up in the Patriots organization they had knowledge of it.

"I want to get the specifics of what they did," he said. "From all indications they had the ground camera watching hand signals, and then compared that to the play that went right off. Later, they used that to watch the hand signals. I want to get details on how they gave that to the backup quarterback, who relayed it to the coach and then the quarterback on the field.

"I want to know who authorized it, who knew about it and how far up it went in the chain of command."

Specter said that "they keep changing the goal posts," that the scope of the illegal taping keeps widening in years and in the coverage. He said there's evidence on the new tapes that not only did the Patriots record opponent coach's defensive signals, but their offensive signals as well.

"Who would have gone to that much trouble if it didn't amount to much?" Specter said. "If a guy wasn't skeptical I don't think he'd be awake."

Specter said he's not sure whether he will call for a senate hearing or not, that he wants to hear Walsh first.

"I'm not going to make any judgment on that until I see how it goes. I think we have to take it a step at a time."

In an earlier statement, Specter said: "I think it is very unfortunate that the NFL has already started its 'nothing new' spin before watching the tapes or finding out what Mr. Matt Walsh has to say. Let's see where the evidence leads."

Walsh, now a club golf pro in Hawaii, stated in January that he had further evidence of wrongdoing by the Patriots. Shortly thereafter, the Boston Herald reported that the Patriots illegally taped the St. Louis Rams' walk-through practice the day before New England beat them in the Super Bowl in 2002.

Many assumed that report came from Walsh, but his lawyer, Michael Levy, told the New York Times that "Mr. Walsh has never claimed to have a tape of the walkthrough."

Walsh's January statements led to a nearly four-month negotiation between his lawyers and the NFL that resulted in the tapes being turned over this week. The league has indemnified Walsh against any lawsuits that might arise from member clubs because of his activity.

What is now widely known as Spygate came to the forefront when a Patriots video cameraman was caught in the act on the field in Giants Stadium of taping New York Jets coaches physically signalling plays on the sideline last fall, against NFL rules.

Goodell met with Belichick and other Patriots officials and they turned over tapes and notes that showed they had followed such procedures since 2000, claiming they did not know it violated any rules.

Goodell then meted his punishment and said if more violations turn up that were not revealed to him at that time by Belichick and the Patriots, he reserved the right to further discipline. The commissioner stated he also destroyed all the evidence.

Specter has criticized the NFL for destroying the evidence and has repeatedly called for Goodell to further explain why he did it. Goodell has said on several occasions there was no more use for the data and he did not want it to leak publicly. Specter has threatened to hold Senate hearings into the matter.

Steelers executives, along with former coach Bill Cowher, have said they do not believe any illegal taping had anything to do with any of their losses to the Patriots, who have admitted to illegally taping during four games against them, including both of their AFC championships at Heinz Field.

Yesterday, Steelers spokesman Dave Lockett said: "We're going to wait until the commissioner's investigation is complete. At that point we'll decide if we have any further comment."

Patriots spokesman Stacey James said, "We're withholding comment at this time."
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