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Old 05-14-2008, 10:48 PM   #1
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Default What's with the Democrats?

Not to confuse the masses, but if one of the Democratic Parties candidates are so worried that everybody’s vote should count , even those in Michigan and Florida, who held their election before they were supposed to and Senator Barack Obama's name was not even on the Michigan ballot to be a choice. All Candidates said they would not count those votes. Now one Sen. Clinton wants to have them count knowing full well her oppositions name was not even on the Michigan ballot to be voted on.

But going a step further: if all votes count the same, one person one vote, for the candidate of your choice. Why do the super candidates get to vote twice? Everybody gets one vote for the candidate of their choice, but others receive two votes, sounds elitist to me, not very democratic as they claim.

Just some fuel for thought.

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Old 05-14-2008, 10:51 PM   #2
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Im not sure whats wrong with Democrats.
However, I dont understand why the states did this......They should have to vote again or something....All votes should count......I really dont understand it...They should just vote again......
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:40 AM   #3
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It's these kind of shenanigans that makes me not even want to bother to vote.
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:44 AM   #4
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Get back at me when you're actually old enought to vote.

That said. If Clinton is willing to reconcile the Michigan and Florida primary elections, she'll divide the democratic party and only weaken Obama and the party as a whole during the election. In that case, she cares only for her own political image and not the welfare of the party as a whole, which is no surprise.
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Get back at me when you're actually old enought to vote.

That said. If Clinton is willing to reconcile the Michigan and Florida primary elections, she'll divide the democratic party and only weaken Obama and the party as a whole during the election. In that case, she cares only for her own political image and not the welfare of the party as a whole, which is no surprise.
I don't really see how she can win at this point. But, as has been said earlier, until she is officially out, NEVER underestimate the power of the Clinton political machine. I think that her (& Bill) may have something up their sleeve. They are quite resourceful you know........ I still think the dem's have plenty of time to "consolidate" though.
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Kinda funny coming from someone who is barely of voting age himself.
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NEVER underestimate the power of the Clinton political machine. I think that her (& Bill) may have something up their sleeve. They are quite resourceful you know........
Yes they are. Ask the family of Vince Foster.
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Hillary can't get out of the race now, she's too much in debt and needs to conintue to raise money to make up her loans to her campaign. She must be miserable knowing she is losing this thing, but she has to stay the coarse or eat the cash. Clintons dont enjoy losing money.

However, I believe if Obama is the nominee, Hillary will not be a very strong supporter and there may be some effort, by the people who support her, like Carville and the likes, to hurt Obama, maybe report a little more on the Wright thing or dig up more dirt. She'll try again in 2012 if McCain wins, cause McCain is not a 2 term guy. He's too old to hold the position for 8 years. So I believe she's already eyeing the 2012 election season, but she can't run in 2012 if Obama is the POTUS.
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Hillary can't get out of the race now, she's too much in debt and needs to conintue to raise money to make up her loans to her campaign. She must be miserable knowing she is losing this thing, but she has to stay the coarse or eat the cash. Clintons dont enjoy losing money.

However, I believe if Obama is the nominee, Hillary will not be a very strong supporter and there may be some effort, by the people who support her, like Carville and the likes, to hurt Obama, maybe report a little more on the Wright thing or dig up more dirt. She'll try again in 2012 if McCain wins, cause McCain is not a 2 term guy. He's too old to hold the position for 8 years. So I believe she's already eyeing the 2012 election season, but she can't run in 2012 if Obama is the POTUS.
Why would anyone continue to contribute to a candidate who will not be the nominee?

To quote the late great Hunter S. Thompson, Hillary has as much chance of paying off her loans to herself through others contributing to her current campaign as "a farmer with terminal cancer trying to borrow money on next year's crop."

Here are more plausible repayment scenarios:

Obama himself has left open the door to helping Hillary Clinton pay off her campaign debts. But this does not mean giving her the money directly, either as a contribution or from his campaign funds. Obama, like everyone else, is limited to giving a federal candidate $2,300 in each the primary and the general election; his PAC may donate $5,000 to other federal candidates. What most people anticipate is that he would help her pay off the debt by asking his own contributors to chip in (with new contributions), or perhaps headlining a fundraiser or series of fundraisers for her.

As to the personal loan that she has made: Rich candidates have often loaned themselves money, and then asked their contributors to make them whole. If that is done in the course of a campaign, it may simply be a measure of how enthusiastic people are about someone's candidacy. What the McCain-Feingold law aimed to stop was deep-pocketed pols making themselves a big loan, and then--after (presumably winning) an election--going back and pressuring people to give them money to pay back the loan. Even if she loses, Hillary Clinton will still be a Senator after all this is over; there will be plenty of special interests who might see it in their interest to help her through this financial squeeze.


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