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Old 06-14-2008, 04:19 PM   #11
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Let's not forget that George W. Bush blocked drilling off the coast of Florida in 2002 as a favor to his brother, who was facing a tough re-election campaign. Now the Cubans and Chicoms are drilling in some of those same waters.
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Old 06-14-2008, 04:21 PM   #12
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It is not that gas is addictive it is a necessity anymore. What is going to happen when people refuse to work at fast food restaurants because they don't make enough to pay for the gas to get back and forth? There are other jobs in the market that are also min. wage jobs that people are going to refuse to work at because they could not afford to. This will lead to more illegals taking the jobs for under the table pay or accepting min. wage because they are living in a garage or in a multifamily dwelling that is supposed to be single family..
You hit the nail on the head. The cost of having a job is enormous. Not just gas, but child care plus all the government benefits you lose by working instead of sitting on your ass, like paying health insurance instead of receiving Medicaid.
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Old 06-14-2008, 04:46 PM   #13
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I agree everyone has their agenda, but what have the Dems done to help provide a solution?
That's just the point....the Dems talk about it a lot, but don't do anything to help the situation. In fact, just the opposite....when the GOP tries to implement policies to increase supply--ANWR, etc. all the Dems do is fight us on it!
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Ummm... how 'bout FDR... social security, federal deposit insurance corporation, federal housing administration, security and exchange commision, tenessee valley authority.... all programs still in existence more than seventy years later.

what made such programs come to fruition? a stagnant economy where change and long term direction was imperative... sound familiar?
A) FDR was as entrenched in that office as any President since Washington. The circumstances surrounding those times and that situation will never be duplicated.
B) Most of those programs have morphed into things they were never intended to be
C) If FDR would have run first term on a platform of sacrifice and 30 year plans, he'd have been soundly beaten by Herbert Hoover
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That's just the point....the Dems talk about it a lot, but don't do anything to help the situation. In fact, just the opposite....when the GOP tries to implement policies to increase supply--ANWR, etc. all the Dems do is fight us on it!
Although I see your point, let's not forget that in order to obtain that oil supply it would require the destruction of wilderness reserves, forests, and parks. Don't forget the damage burning gas does to the atmosphere, I live in Columbus and the air quality gets worse and worse each year. The fact is that Democrats have made a lot of effort to invest in the R&D of cleaner, more affordable fuel such as ethanol and biodiesel, and want to free us of our dependency on oil. The top oil companies have made record profits in the past year, and there has not been one investigation into whether or not there's price gouging. Remember that Dubya and Cheney are in bed with big oil executives and Saudis.
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No offense dude, but almost everything in that paragraph is wrong. There have been almost constant Congressional Hearings on price gouging since 2005, and the matter is heating up again.

Bush put initiatives in place to spend a couple billion on Hydrogen fuel cell research.

ANWR is not going to ruin Alaska. It's like .05% of the protected area that will be affected. That's typically the kind of numbers we are dealing with. It's also naive to ignore sources of the current fuel we need by pegging our hopes on some as yet unknown alternative. We need to address the wolves within our fences before we trek out to fight the ones outside.

Ethanol is not a solution, and it's already losing favor. Biodiesel has severe limitations.
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pshhh.... dems/repubs it doesn't matter. they need each other to exist. this country needs a third, fourth, fifth party. it needs a cohesive energy policy that embraces alternate sources, not just one alternate source, but many. it's amazing how myopic our appointed leaders can be in regards to the problems this country faces. it's also amazing how so many will latch on to one party and defend their worst decisions with rabid fanfare.
there's a huge source of oil off the shores of the Pacific not 10 miles west of where I live. the folks who own muti-million dollar homes, with their beach front views, don't want to see oil decks out there. so it's MUST be the democrat, who represents them, that's at fault.... right? BOTH parties are at fault for not being able to circumvent their differences and create a national energy policy that would be beneficial not to just a few, but the entire nation. a national energy policy that has a thirty year projection, and can't be altered by the elected administration, regardless of their party affiliation. one that would embrace alternate sources of energy, market competition, and cleaner solutions. why this can't be considered or discussed is the VERY reason why we're in this mess.
obama is a huge supporter of nuclear energy. 46% of his home states energy comes from nuclear energy. the industry proclaims itself as clean energy, obama uses their talking points verbatim. he speaks of advances in science that will create the ability to clean the radioactive material a nuclear power plant creates. the science simply does not exist. right now we put the material in drums that will erode in a hundred years, but the material remains dangerous for nearly 500,000 years. is this good energy policy? there's a company that is developing a solar cell that comes in a roll and can be applied in strips on your roof! it's an amazing product. http://www.photovoltaicsolarcells.com/ imagine if everyone were to have a simple product such as this contributing to their households energy demands.

again, i wonder, why do so many bicker about the other parties short commings? it's clear neither have done enough to advance this nations future.
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I commend you on your absolutely and concisely correct analysis of the problem in your post herein. What disturbs me is that the average American citizen does not see this and they blame the other party.
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No offense dude, but almost everything in that paragraph is wrong. There have been almost constant Congressional Hearings on price gouging since 2005, and the matter is heating up again.

Bush put initiatives in place to spend a couple billion on Hydrogen fuel cell research.

ANWR is not going to ruin Alaska. It's like .05% of the protected area that will be affected. That's typically the kind of numbers we are dealing with. It's also naive to ignore sources of the current fuel we need by pegging our hopes on some as yet unknown alternative. We need to address the wolves within our fences before we trek out to fight the ones outside.

Ethanol is not a solution, and it's already losing favor. Biodiesel has severe limitations.
I realize there have been hearings about price gouging, but nothing has been done. It's something the talk about but take no action on. If ANWR was guaranteed to only affect .05% of the area in Alaska I'd be all for it, but whats stopping them from spreading that to a larger area? I think Bush and Cheney would look the other way if the drilling spread out into larger areas and companies violated drilling restrictions. I don't know if you have noticed but the air quality in our large cities is getting worse every year because of all the pollution it causes. Ethanol is a solution, easy to manufacture, and made from corn, a plentiful resource. Engineers in Columbus created biodiesel from restaurant grease and got it to work successfully. Both sources are cleaner and much cheaper than drilling. Do you know how much the biodiesel would cost per gallon, according to the engineers? $0.75 a gallon! I applaud the hydrocell fuel research initiative, but the simple fact is that Bush will bend over backwards for the big oil executives. Roethlisburgher made a great point in his post, the oil companies are making obscene profits, yet he still gets paid a shitty wage.

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Although I see your point, let's not forget that in order to obtain that oil supply it would require the destruction of wilderness reserves, forests, and parks. Don't forget the damage burning gas does to the atmosphere, I live in Columbus and the air quality gets worse and worse each year. The fact is that Democrats have made a lot of effort to invest in the R&D of cleaner, more affordable fuel such as ethanol and biodiesel, and want to free us of our dependency on oil. The top oil companies have made record profits in the past year, and there has not been one investigation into whether or not there's price gouging. Remember that Dubya and Cheney are in bed with big oil executives and Saudis.
First of all, I agree with you that we need to work on renewablee energy sources, but the key to doing that is to provide incentives both to the manufacurers for developing renewable energy vehicles and to the consumers to purchase them. However in the meantime we need to increase supply. One of the best ways to do that is to drill in the less than 1/2% of anwr to make us less reliant on foreign oil.
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Of course, folks who live close can always head to Mexico....

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San Diego Drivers Appreciate Mexico's Cheap Gas

San Diego (AP) - If there's pain at the pump in the U.S., Mexico may just have a remedy. A gallon of regular unleaded gasoline in San Diego retails for an average price of $4.61 a gallon. A few miles south, in Tijuana, it's about $2.54 even less if you pay in pesos.

More and more people appear to be taking advantage of the lower price.

"I used to buy exclusively in the U.S. before gas started really going up," said Patrick Garcia, a drama teacher at an elementary school in San Diego who lives in Tijuana. "Since then, I've been buying all my gas in Tijuana."

The lower prices mean a U.S. motorist could save almost $54 filling up a two-year-old Ford F150 pickup with a 26-gallon fuel tank in Mexico.

The differential in diesel is even greater, selling at $5.04 a gallon in San Diego County and $2.20 in Tijuana.

Paul Covarrubias, 26, who lives in Chula Vista and works in construction in San Diego, crosses the border each week just to refuel his dual-cab Ford F-250 pickup.

"I fill it up with diesel in Tijuana for $60," he said. "It would be almost twice that in San Diego."

Gas is cheaper in Mexico because of a government subsidy intended to keep inflationary forces in check.

Still, international gas-buying trips don't make sense for everyone. The wait getting back into the U.S. at the border in Tijuana frequently takes longer than two hours and cars can burn about a gallon of gas for each hour they idle.
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