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Old 06-18-2008, 09:17 AM   #21
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Democrats are no angles...... I'm an independant thinker.... and bush needed a DVD made of news coverage cause he wasn't sure what was goin on in new orleans.... and ya..i think most people KNOW that the war was a mistake... that is why like 13 different bush poeple have written books basically saying so. Hey did you know Dick Cheney gets a paycheck from the oil companies.... and that he a had secret meeting that he refuses to let people know what was said with the oil compainies that pay him when he first got in office... Funny how the VP gets more money the more gas goes up....hmmmm... look vote for the republicans if you want.... it's obviously worked for us the last 8 years.... my vote will undo yours.....lol.... and i think more people will vote democrate this time... not oly for prez... but the house and senate.... and if the dems screw up as bad as bush...i;ll vote for the republican next time... unlike you i love america...not a party!!
One of the most ill-informed...condecending...posts I have read in a while...Hats off!
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Old 06-18-2008, 09:36 AM   #22
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Politics. It's such a joke anymore it makes me sick. We claim to have chocies in the matter when it comes to electing the people who represent us in this country but that is simply a lie.

We claim to not have a "two-party system" be in effect we do. Each year we fight over the "Democrat" or the "Republican". These are simply the only people out there with the $$$ to make themselves known in the media. People laugh about the viability of third and fourth parties, which only shows the ignorance of our society.

The people who have the power know that the average american knows little about politics other than the blurbs on the news. They simply do not have the time to study these important things while they are holding down jobs in order to pay for health care food and lately petroleum. It is unfortunate that people have too much to worry about in their daily lives and do not have the opportunity to research viable political candidates out there from everyone running to see how would be a better fit for thier concience. Unfortunately, the nightly news does not have people from the green, libertarian, etc. parties on EVERY NIGHT to express their views.

So, pick the Democan or the Republicrat. They are all at their root the same... they are just really good at picking the right issues to champion (and especially non-issues) to keep us divided and fighting.

Yankees or Red Sox anyone?

We need a serious Civics lesson for everyone in this country.
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Old 06-18-2008, 09:49 AM   #23
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So, pick the Democan or the Republicrat. They are all at their root the same... they are just really good at picking the right issues to champion (and especially non-issues) to keep us divided and fighting.
In theory and ideologies, they are often not the same. They want the same result but often preach two different ways of getting there. However, in execution, they often are the same, unfortunately.
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Old 06-18-2008, 10:03 AM   #24
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In theory and ideologies, they are often not the same. They want the same result but often preach two different ways of getting there. However, in execution, they often are the same, unfortunately.
A prime example of this is the ridiculous increase in overall government spending under Bush, when he's supposed to be a conservative who champions smaller government. I don't really see much changing if McCain gets elected and certainly not if Obama gets elected.
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For the Record, Rush Limbaugh has not been saying there is a "whitey" tape out there and in fact refused to talk about it until his name was brought up by the Obama campaign. Rush has been laughing his arse off the entire time giving Obama a hard time by having Republicans vote for HIllary to drag out the Dem Process.

Obama's father was a Muslim and Obama did in fact attend muslims schools while indonesia. That's fact. He may now be a Christian, but he also can recite the Koran in Arabic and that's from his own Biography.
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A prime example of this is the ridiculous increase in overall government spending under Bush, when he's supposed to be a conservative who champions smaller government. I don't really see much changing if McCain gets elected and certainly not if Obama gets elected.
Really? McCain has ALWAYS been a big proponent of cutting down on waste, getting rid of earmarks, etc, etc. I think he'd do a fine job of reeling in runaway government spending.

Obama? Eh, not so much...
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Really? McCain has ALWAYS been a big proponent of cutting down on waste, getting rid of earmarks, etc, etc. I think he'd do a fine job of reeling in runaway government spending.

Obama? Eh, not so much...
It's a case of "I'll believe it when I see it" when it comes to McCain.
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It doesn't matter to me, cause he's a socialist and I refuse to vote for anyone with a socialist agenda, I don't care if they worship the TellaTubbies, if they want to increase taxes and "redistribute" wealth, I'm against them. If they want to control my freedom of speech, control my guns, take away religion while I "cling to it" then I am against them. So I don't care. But why deny it so harshly unless you believe it will hurt your campaign?

He is not change, he is a typical politician who joined a major Church in the Chicago area just to make contacts, become part of the community that he would need to back him for election into the Senate. Regardless of the hateful speeches the preacher may have been giving, it was the means to an end for Obama. And that is not Hope, that is not Change, that is Politics as usual. Look closely at every single person he is putting on his "team" are they new faces? Or are they the same Dems we've been seeing for years. Kerry, Gore, Dodd, Kennedy, these guys are new and don't represent Change.

At least McCain pisssses off everyone equally. Right and Left. He's a real Moderate, and if you want real Change, McCain is all about changing things, he scares more Republicans in power than Dems because they know, you can't push around McCain.
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It's a case of "I'll believe it when I see it" when it comes to McCain.
McCain has always been a maverick who's gone against the Republicans when it suited his political needs. McCain-Feingold was a huge slap in the face to the Republicans. McCain was also a key member of the Gang of 12.

You can also look at his rating from the NRA. In 2004 he was given a C rating. The Gun Owners of America gave him a D- for 2000 through 2006.

The fact is he's a chameleon. He blends in to whatever positions seem politically expedient at the time. If the culture in Washington is favoring big government in the next 4 years, he's be out in front leading that parade.
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McCain has always been a maverick who's gone against the Republicans when it suited his political needs. McCain-Feingold was a huge slap in the face to the Republicans. McCain was also a key member of the Gang of 12.

You can also look at his rating from the NRA. In 2004 he was given a C rating. The Gun Owners of America gave him a D- for 2000 through 2006.

The fact is he's a chameleon. He blends in to whatever positions seem politically expedient at the time. If the culture in Washington is favoring big government in the next 4 years, he's be out in front leading that parade.
That's kind of true, but I think a lot of his thinking has more to do with his gut feelings than the feelings of other people. He'll take a stance because its what he believes, right or wrong. He was out against the way the Iraq war was being fought from day one and would have 500,000 troops on the ground day one and prevented the insurgency from ever having taken place. At least, that's how he feels about it.

Bob Barr looks like a legit third option, and if ever there was a year for a 3rd party to make a serious run, this would be it. A Moderate vs a Socialist. Sigh...I guess as long as we have football for the next 4 years, I'll survive.
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