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Old 06-20-2008, 10:32 AM   #11
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I promised myself I wouldn't get too political here on this board (at the risk of making enemies)----but I just have put in my two cents on this article.

First, I have not decided who I am voting for yet. I am still entertaining both candidates. From what I see of voting record and policies of both---neither is perfect, but I don't think either will ruin the country---they just don't have that kind of power as president. (BTW, I don't think Clinton or GW "runied" the country either)

But this article offends me. It is teaming with propaganda and (as someone else pointed out) is a blatant attempt to stir up fear in white americans and conservatives. Obama would be "president" of the US not "dictator". He can't just suddenly turn America from a capitalist country (we're not entirely capitalist now) to a socialist country.

I also get concerned when columnists (or anaymous e-mailers) start spouting off stuff about a church that they've never been to. I'm Catholic, so I know all about what people "think" we believe in. Before Kennedy was elected, everyone was worried he'd turn power over to the Pope (pahleez!) I see a lot of similarities here between that 1960's propaganda and this propaganda. I'm not saying wright's church isn't radical---I don't know "personally" what they preach on Sunday, but to say that Obama is going to be their puppet is no differnent than what they said about Kennedy.

All Christian churches---have some element of favor for socialist policies---taking care of the poor, feeding the hungry, giving shelter to the homeless---so why should the substance of "marxist" philosophy shock us coming from a church?----it doesn't---unless you actually call it "marxist" as is done here.

You can call any american politician a socialist and be at least partially correct. Every single one of them (and probably most of us) believe in some program or policy that could be consided socialist. My brother-in-law (very right wing) called George Bush I a "socialist" and listed a plethora of reasons why to me.

So, my point is, I would like to us all get past the "oh my god Obama is going to ruin the country and turn it over to the . . .Muslims, Socialists, Radical African Americans, etc etc" rhetoric, and vote or not vote for the candidates based on their voting record and what we think they are ACTUALLY going to do.

BTW---I'm an attorney and I worked in the government for a lot of years----I never knew about the advisory statute of putting your hand over your heart for the national anthem---and I don't know many people who knew about that either---so lets cut the guy slack on that one.
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Old 06-20-2008, 10:36 AM   #12
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so·cial·ism Audio Help /ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[soh-shuh-liz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

Hmmmmmmmm.....
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Old 06-20-2008, 10:44 AM   #13
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All Christian churches---have some element of favor for socialist policies---taking care of the poor, feeding the hungry, giving shelter to the homeless---so why should the substance of "marxist" philosophy shock us coming from a church?----it doesn't---unless you actually call it "marxist" as is done here.
I somewhat agree counselor. I saw a bumper sticker once that said "Jesus was a liberal."........I think where I differ is how the care and compassion is implemented. I have always thought christians preached it more on a personal level, rather than through government imposed programs. So I don't know if that can really be construed as really favoring socialist or marxist philosophy imo. There are plenty of conservatives who are compassionate and directly help the less fortunate. I know a preacher on SF that is a perfect example of this.
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In my opinion there is nothing STEALTH about his Socialist Agenda.
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The man is just plain unAmerican. I won't vote for him.

I'm still absolutely amazed he's a Presidential candidate. What has he done politically? Not a whole helluva lot.

Some of the apparently little things about him that hint a larger issues. Why won't he wear a flag pin? Is there something offensive about the flag for him? Why won't he follow the code of conduct and put his right hand over his heart during the playing of the National Anthem?



If you think your taxes are high now... Just wait and see what they will be if Obama becomes President. Holy cow....
So do you go to sporting events and correct everyone around you who wears their hat during the anthem, talks on their phone during the anthem, and cheers before the singer is done singing?
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So do you go to sporting events and correct everyone around you who wears their hat during the anthem, talks on their phone during the anthem, and cheers before the singer is done singing?
Technically, if you witness that, you are supposed to wait for the anthem to end and then address the disrespectfulness you witness.

I was at a minor league baseball game yesterday, and I actually look for that stuff. I find that the kids are usually pretty good about being quite, if they aren't 2 and have no idea what is going on that is, but most are pretty good about it.

I have mentioned to a few people myself that during the anthem hats are to come off, its my place to do it as an American. If they want to be beligerant about it, then I'm all for it, but mostly they say, "Sorry, I wasn't thinking" or something like that. Its about them being proper the next time and maybe even paying it forward at the next sporting event they attend.
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so·cial·ism Audio Help /ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[soh-shuh-liz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
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3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

Hmmmmmmmm.....

Here's somethings to chew on...

Nationalization of refineries..?
http://www.foxnews.com/urgent_queue/...f44,2008-06-18

Reporting of transactions to the Govt... They want to know what you buy and where.
http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/06/20/1234214.shtml

Sad, dark times are headed our way people. Get your friggin heads out of the sand and speak up.
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Sad dark times are already here.

It's called the Patriot Act.
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no. hes a Stealth Obomber.

*ba dum dump*

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