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Old 06-20-2008, 12:54 PM   #21
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no. hes a Stealth Obomber.

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Old 06-20-2008, 02:40 PM   #22
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David Brooks tells the GOP to be afraid, be very afraid

This guy is the whole Chicago package: an idealistic, lakefront liberal fronting a sharp-elbowed machine operator. He’s the only politician of our lifetime who is underestimated because he’s too intelligent. He speaks so calmly and polysyllabically that people fail to appreciate the Machiavellian ambition inside.

But he’s been giving us an education, for anybody who cares to pay attention. Just try to imagine Mister Rogers playing the agent Ari in “Entourage” and it all falls into place.
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I have to admit, I’m ambivalent watching all this. On the one hand, Obama did sell out the primary cause of his professional life, all for a tiny political advantage. If he’ll sell that out, what won’t he sell out? On the other hand, global affairs ain’t beanbag. If we’re going to have a president who is going to go toe to toe with the likes of Vladimir Putin, maybe it is better that he should have a ruthlessly opportunist Fast Eddie Obama lurking inside.

All I know for sure is that this guy is no liberal goo-goo. Republicans keep calling him naïve. But naïve is the last word I’d use to describe Barack Obama. He’s the most effectively political creature we’ve seen in decades. Even Bill Clinton wasn’t smart enough to succeed in politics by pretending to renounce politics.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/op...in&oref=slogin

Brooks and I certainly are not on the same page about Obama, but he is correct when he says the GOP better realize it needs to raise the level of its game pronto. Throwing out terms like socialist and "stealth socialist" and "supporter of black liberation theology" may be great & productive fun when you are dealing with cardboard cutouts like Gore and Kerry who let you define their image, but Obama is not going to be that easy to take down.

It reminds me of Dems in the 80s calling Reagan "a Grade B movie actor" and Steeler fans calling Tom Brady "Ass Chin" - if it makes you feel better while your side gets its collective ass handed to it then go for it, but it won't get you a W.
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So do you go to sporting events and correct everyone around you who wears their hat during the anthem, talks on their phone during the anthem, and cheers before the singer is done singing?
I can't answer for everyone else, obviously, but yes - as a matter of fact I do. I think it is not only ignorant, but disrespectful to our country, to exhibit those behaviors during the playing of our national anthem. If you can't take all of 2 minutes or so to honor your country - the same country that affords you the freedoms that many other countries don't afford their citizens - shame on you.
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It reminds me of Dems in the 80s calling Reagan "a Grade B movie actor" and Steeler fans calling Tom Brady "Ass Chin"
But Brady is an Ass Chin.
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Really? Is that why Obama consistently referred to the Rev. Wright as his "mentor" before the Rev. was called out for his own blatant racism?

P.S. Congrats on your upcoming nuptials!
Mentor can take on a lot of meanings... sometimes not much more than a guide or an ear. I was mentored as part of my induction program for teaching. Mostly I bounced ideas and grpied to mine, maybe loked for some guidance. But our ways of doing things are totally different in MANY aspects.

BTW... thanx for the congrats! 11/1/08 is coming!
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so·cial·ism Audio Help /ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[soh-shuh-liz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

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The community... meaning the people have control over what they produce.

The "communism" we have seen/are seeing in the world is far away from Marx teachings. Human greed damaged it on all fronts. Look at the Soviet example.
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But Brady is an Ass Chin.
Yeah... I think we have a nugget we can all agree on there!
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Mentor can take on a lot of meanings... sometimes not much more than a guide or an ear. I was mentored as part of my induction program for teaching. Mostly I bounced ideas and grpied to mine, maybe loked for some guidance. But our ways of doing things are totally different in MANY aspects.

BTW... thanx for the congrats! 11/1/08 is coming!
I find it hard to believe that Obama did not adhere to the Rev. Wright's "teachings" considering he and his wife were members of the Trinity United Church for over 20 years. I'm sure the Rev. didn't just begin his racist rants and diatribes over the past few months. If the Obamas didn't follow this man's beliefs, surely they could have found another church in the Chicago area to affiliate themselves with.

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I find it hard to believe that Obama did not adhere to the Rev. Wright's "teachings" considering he and his wife were members of the Trinity United Church for over 20 years. I'm sure the Rev. didn't just begin his racist rants and diatribes over the past few months. If the Obamas didn't follow this man's beliefs, surely they could have found another church in the Chicago area to affiliate themselves with.

Y/W! Just a few short months!
I agree. I know countless people who have left their churches because they did not agree with the views of their pastor. Come fall, the media will say he has been thoroughly vetted and to revisit this is only partisan attacks, regardless of the accuracy and relevance.. .
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