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Old 07-09-2008, 03:05 PM   #21
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I am glad to see that Ben is getting his respect. FINALLY. His ranking third is about right. Now to the Carson issue. Carson gets alot of hype from ESPN and fantasy geeks and all for a QB who has yet to win a playoff game. I do admit that Can't Stop 85 does have a point that he is hampered by the fact that he is on a team that has been terrible, especially (I live in Lexington KY so I am fairly familiar.) on special teams and on defense. Comparing the stats between Ben and Carson, they look fairly similar but Ben does have the ring, etc, but he did happen to land on a pretty decent team also. Ben's situation was almost like Rivers' situation. In 2006, everyone was saying when Rivers took over that Rivers was a top 5 QB etc. Well, DUH.......look at that team he was on. Look at that O Line, and that RB powerhouse, Tomlinson, etc, etc that he had. ANYONE , and I mean almost ANYONE even any of the WWE Superstars that I like to watch if you gave them the playbook could be a Top 5 QB with that Charger Team that Rivers was on. Ben got on a Steelers team that wound up going what, 15-1 and then won the Super Bowl. Carson on the other hand got on a team that has been losing for years. I am not apologizing for Carson but I think it is a bit harsh to say he is a bust though. JMO
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Old 07-09-2008, 03:39 PM   #22
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ben has alot left in him peyton and brady are getting older so there proably gonna retire in bout a few years lets hope that ben can keep up the good work and maybe one day become #1 on that list
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What Big Game has Carson Palmer ever won since he's been in the league?

Sure he's a Stats Machine against the Browns and Ravens...but that doesn't make him a Winner.

He's 2-6 against the Steelers. Not counting his one play against them in the Playoffs.

He's 0-3 against the Patriots

He's 0-2 against the Colts

Yeah, way to Step Up in the Big Game. He gets way too much credit and takes none of the blame. I seem to remember that season that the Bengals won the AFC North that their Defense was leading the league in turnovers. But they get no credit for that, it was all Carson wasn't it.

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I wish Ben wouldn't get respect. Heck I wish everyone dissed the Steelers more and more. The team seems to unite behind themselves better if it's that way otherwise they tend to buy into the hype and play down to their competition!!!
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What Big Game has Carson Palmer ever won since he's been in the league?

Sure he's a Stats Machine against the Browns and Ravens...but that doesn't make him a Winner.

He's 2-6 against the Steelers. Not counting his one play against them in the Playoffs.

He's 0-3 against the Patriots

He's 0-2 against the Colts

Yeah, way to Step Up in the Big Game. He gets way too much credit and takes none of the blame. I seem to remember that season that the Bengals won the AFC North that their Defense was leading the league in turnovers. But they get no credit for that, it was all Carson wasn't it.

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It seems so obvious. Palmer doesn't have "it".
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It seems so obvious. Palmer doesn't have "it".
A team that can compete in the playoffs? A defense that doesn't rely on turnovers to be effective? An offensive line?
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Ben is, IMHO, the best one in the NFL. Arm, mobility, smarts, toughness, leadership. He is the whole package. Some might have a better arm, or grasp of their offense, but none of those ranked higher can beat him on mobility, toughness and leadership.

We'll see how good TommyBoy is when the NFL lets him get knocked around, like he did in the Super Bowl.
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We'll see how good TommyBoy is when the NFL lets him get knocked around, like he did in the Super Bowl.
Simple - he gets a cupcake schedule this year. Don't expect the Golden Boy knob-slobbing to stop anytime soon, especially when he's in late in the 4th quarter with Moss running up the score on such powerhouses as Miami and San Fran.
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A team that can compete in the playoffs? A defense that doesn't rely on turnovers to be effective? An offensive line?
Like I've stated previously, the QB gets credit for the wins and therefore should be also equally blamed for the losses. Just because he's on a crappy team doesn't mean he shouldn't have a say in the types of players on his team. He's the effing QB. if He knows his receivers are punks, like Henry, he needs to get the front office to make a trade. If he thinks his receivers are taking plays off, Chad, then he needs to address it and motivate the coach to do something about it. Don't just say "woe is me, the guys around me stink" Either do something about it and get a win or STFU about being one of the "best in the league".

For all the knocking of the "team around him" he couldn't put up any good numbers without TJ, Chad, and Henry Catching the ball the last few years since he's been the QB in Cincy. But they don't get any credit for wins, its all Carson, and when they lose, its all the defensive's fault. Ef that. He isn't that great and doesn't have the "IT" that is required to win at the NFL Level. Not win big games anyway. He's a great fantasy and stats guy but isn't going to win games against great teams. Ever. That's my story and I'm sticking to it until he proves me wrong.
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he needs to get the front office to make a trade. If he thinks his receivers are taking plays off, Chad, then he needs to address it and motivate the coach to do something about it. Don't just say "woe is me, the guys around me stink" Either do something about it and get a win or STFU about being one of the "best in the league".
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