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Old 07-15-2008, 10:51 AM   #11
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Something like that would affect Big Ben far more than Peyton, because Big Ben has yet to learn how to be an good pocket passer.

Wow! I'd argue that statement but I'm reminded of an old saying.........

Never argue with an idiot, they'll just drag you down to thier level and beat you with experience!
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Old 07-15-2008, 11:42 AM   #12
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Default Re: P. Manning undergoes knee surgury

Odd to get it fixed the week before camp if it has been bothering him since February - a further omen that this could be a Jax year in the AFC South
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I can understand people dissing Brady, but I never understood the Manning bashing. Guy obviously loves the game and is a fierce competitor, as evident by his meticulous film study (and not the Brady kind!). I'd guess he was hoping his knee would stop bothering him, but at this point figures it's time to bite the bullet and miss a few (worthless) pre-season games.
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Default Re: P. Manning undergoes knee surgury

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Polian said that Manning "had been receiving conservative treatment for an inflamed bursa sac in consultation with the club's medical staff since February, 2008. This course of treatment was productive until Peyton experienced increased pain and early signs of infection."
that conservative treatment sounds a bit invasive. i mean how do you get an infection inside the knee without something going inside the knee?

sounds like he might have had a little unreported (hush-hush) scope and "clean up" as soon as the season ended.

i wonder if he visited cleveland any time after the procedure. he may have caught staph.
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I watched a little bit of the XFL. It was ok. I think Tommy Maddox played for the XFL, no? I think Vince McMahon better stick to the WWE though. LOL
Yeah, it was a flop for a reason, but it was entertaining. The AFL seems to have gotten it right, which I'm glad for. That gives me extended football season so that I don't go completely stir crazy!

Tommy Maddox was a QB in the XFL. There are a couple of other guys who made it into the NFL afterwords, but Tommy was the most successful of the bunch. I think the most notable (outside of Pittsburgh) was Rod "He Hate Me" Smart. But that was just because of his jersey name while still playing for Vince.
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Old 07-15-2008, 12:30 PM   #16
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Wow! I'd argue that statement but I'm reminded of an old saying.........

Never argue with an idiot, they'll just drag you down to thier level and beat you with experience!
I'm trying to figure out why a guy who spent far too much time scrambling around and plays in an offense with plays that take longer to develop wouldn't be affected more than a guy like Peyton who's offense is predicated on quick reads and quick throws with fewer rollouts and such.

If you have real insight, not just asinine comments, give it to me.

I can take constructive criticism. But at this juncture in Ben's career, with the offense he's in, and the O-line he has, I feel it really would be more of a problem for him.
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I can understand people dissing Brady, but I never understood the Manning bashing. Guy obviously loves the game and is a fierce competitor, as evident by his meticulous film study (and not the Brady kind!). I'd guess he was hoping his knee would stop bothering him, but at this point figures it's time to bite the bullet and miss a few (worthless) pre-season games.
Other than Anthony Gonzalez, he's got years worth of experience with his offensive "skill player." I agree that it probably won't really be that big a deal.

As for Manning Bashing, he's on TV alot, which some people seem to get sick of. For the longest time, he couldn't "win the big one", which led to more bashing.

I like the guy as a football player. He's smart, competitive and a hard worker. He doesn't cause trouble and some of his commercials are pretty funny. But it's whatever.

Brady seems aloof. Manning seems more approachable. IDK
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i wonder if he visited cleveland any time after the procedure. he may have caught staph.
Ouch man. That's just a low blow there. And I don't want to hear any "justified" type comments! LOL
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I'm trying to figure out why a guy who spent far too much time scrambling around and plays in an offense with plays that take longer to develop wouldn't be affected more than a guy like Peyton who's offense is predicated on quick reads and quick throws with fewer rollouts and such.

If you have real insight, not just asinine comments, give it to me.

I can take constructive criticism. But at this juncture in Ben's career, with the offense he's in, and the O-line he has, I feel it really would be more of a problem for him.
There is no argueing that it would be more of a shock to Ben than Peyton.

Insight? How can you even percieve anything insightful when you have your head in your arse? Look, Peyton is a great QB no question, but put some pressure on him i.e. the divisional playoffs against Pittsburgh and he is FAR less effective. THAT is proven! Now then, Big Ben is far and away the best QB in the league on the move and after initial contact. That however does not mean he cannot throw from the pocket, and to make such an assertion is ignorant. You give Ben the time in the pocket and he can get it done. You obviously are not unbiased which is understandable being a browns fan. If your gonna make claims like these you aren't gonna get any respect as a knowlegable football fan around here. We as Steeler fans can take critisism such as our O line stunk last year because it's true. But don't come in here and say shit like Ben can't throw from the pocket because that is NOT true and it makes you look like an idiot!
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There is no argueing that it would be more of a shock to Ben than Peyton.

Insight? How can you even percieve anything insightful when you have your head in your arse? Look, Peyton is a great QB no question, but put some pressure on him i.e. the divisional playoffs against Pittsburgh and he is FAR less effective. THAT is proven! Now then, Big Ben is far and away the best QB in the league on the move and after initial contact. That however does not mean he cannot throw from the pocket, and to make such an assertion is ignorant. You give Ben the time in the pocket and he can get it done. You obviously are not unbiased which is understandable being a browns fan. If your gonna make claims like these you aren't gonna get any respect as a knowlegable football fan around here. We as Steeler fans can take critisism such as our O line stunk last year because it's true. But don't come in here and say shit like Ben can't throw from the pocket because that is NOT true and it makes you look like an idiot!
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Seriously, he needs to work on making quicker reads or throwing the ball away. He can't keep scrambling forever, because a few more years like last year and you won't even have an OK QB, let along the good one that he is.

Quicker reads and throwing the ball away are traits of a pocket passer. Right now, Manning is a better pocket passer, but Ben is a much better guy on the move. He's more dangerous than Manning when the play breaks down. Ben is not a great pocket passer. He moves too much. He holds on to the ball too long. He rarely throws it away. Can he stand in the pocket and throw the ball, sure. Give me 4+ seconds and I could make a few throws. However, that doesn't equate to being a good pocket passer. He needs to make better decisions with the ball when the pressure is coming from the pocket. When the play calls for him to not bootleg/roll out, he needs to either throw the ball to his target or throw it away. He plays Russion Roulette every time he scrambles away, because it's a matter of time before some lineman rolls up on his ankle or knee.

My goodness, I've stated this before. I know I have. Would anyone else like to take something I've said out of context? I'd like to have this conversation again. Really.
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