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Old 07-20-2008, 09:48 AM   #1
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Default Obama: No longer a Christian Nation

This I just received and am quite shocked.

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"No Longer a Christian Nation"
As I was listening to a news program last night, I watched in horror as
Barack Obama made the statement with pride. . . 'we are no longer a
Christian nation; we are now a nation of Christians, Jews, Muslims,
Buddhists,'

As with so many other statements I've heard him (and his wife) make, I
never thought I'd see the day that I'd hear something like that from a
presidential candidate in this nation. To think our forefathers fought
and died for the right for our nation to be a Christian nation--and to
have this man say with pride that we are no longer that.

Look how far this nation has come from what our founding fathers
intended it to be.

I hope that each of you will do what I'm doing now--send your concerns,
written simply and sincerely, to the Christians on your email list. With
God's help, and He is still in control of this nation and all else,
we can show this man and the world in November that we are, indeed,
still a Christian nation!

Please pray for our nation!*
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Old 07-20-2008, 09:55 AM   #2
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Default Re: Obama: No longer a Christian Nation

Funny thing...

We never were a Christian nation.

A nation cannot be Christian by nature of the belief itself. only individuals can be Christians.

The idea of a Christian nation is a left-over from the constantinianation of the Christian faith.

That we are now a nation of Buddhists, Hindhus, Jews, etc. is something for the country to be proud of, and something for Christians to be ashamed of, since it is our responsibility to share our faith, and we are not as effective as we should be.
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Old 07-20-2008, 10:17 AM   #3
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Default Re: Obama: No longer a Christian Nation

Amen Brother Amen, although I don't like that Muslim throwing it in my face.
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Old 07-20-2008, 10:39 AM   #4
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Default Re: Obama: No longer a Christian Nation

Leaving aside whether or not Obama is correct, the Founders never intended the United States to be a "Christian" nation

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/c...n/amendment01/

For that matter a number of the Founders probably were not practicing what is usually regarded as Christianity

Benjamin Franklin, for example, believed primarily in a God of reason but had serious doubts about the divinity of Jesus -- though he strongly subscribed to the moral ideas Jesus preached. Jefferson similarly saw Jesus as a "reformer and moral exemplar" and took a pair of scissors to his Bible to cut away all the parts -- miracles and supernatural interventions -- that offended his intellectual sensibilities.

Washington's religious affiliation, on the other hand, is notoriously ambiguous. Raised as an Anglican, Washington attended church, sometimes regularly. He served as churchwarden, observed fast days and vigorously promoted religion among the soldiers of the Continental Army. Yet he was never confirmed, avoided communion and during his lingering death never prayed nor asked for a clergyman. When he spoke or wrote of God, he favored words with decidedly deist and Masonic connotations: "Providence," "the Deity" and "the Grand Architect."


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Old 07-20-2008, 10:41 AM   #5
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Amen Brother Amen, although I don't like that Muslim throwing it in my face.
Responding to these sorts of statements makes me the same sort of Sisyphean poster that Preacher becomes when he responds to the Bush bashing, but what is your basis for contending Obama is a Muslim?
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Default Re: Obama: No longer a Christian Nation

And?

Yeah we're not a Christian nation, we've never been a Christian nation, and hopefully we'll never be a Christian nation. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Christian, I'm even working as intern at my hometown church this summer...but I don't want ANY religion shoved down someone's throat by their country. As American citizens, it is our right to practice and believe as we wish without feeling compelled to believe one way or another.

It amazes me that some Christians are so arrogant to think that their beliefs are the only ones that should be justified. Though I do not personally believe in Islam, Buddhism, etc. I fully defend the rights of others to believe in them.
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Default Re: Obama: No longer a Christian Nation

The vast majority of American citizens are Christians.

It still says In God We Trust on our currency.

Our laws are still based on the principles of The Ten Commandments.

We are still swearing our oaths on Bibles.

We are still allowed to worship in any religion we want without interference from the government.

I believe that still makes us a nation based on Christian values and the day all that changes is the day this nation shall fall.

Obama promises change. Be careful what you wish for.
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The vast majority of American citizens are Christians.

It still says In God We Trust on our currency.

Our laws are still based on the principles of The Ten Commandments.

We are still swearing our oaths on Bibles.

We are still allowed to worship in any religion we want without interference from the government.

I believe that still makes us a nation based on Christian values and the day all that changes is the day this nation shall fall.

Obama promises change. Be careful what you wish for.
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Default Re: Obama: No longer a Christian Nation

But, our nation was created to avoid religious persectution. That our founding fathers were primarily Christian is irrelevant. The fact was, almost all of Europe (back then) was chock full of nations controlled by the Church, particularly the Roman Catholic Church.

Religious persecution was huge back then because if you didn't believe the Roman Catholic way, you were more than just a sinner, you were a criminal.

Being founded by Christians doesn't give Christians any more rights here than it does Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Taoists, Wiccans, etc...

As a Soldier, I will defend that right to practice religion against all enemies, foreign and domestic. If it means fighting some home-grown asshole, so be it. We are not a nation of any specific religion, race, sex, or nationality. We are a true melting pot. We speak American not English.

err....I'll get off this soapbox now. You get the idea though.
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Default Re: Obama: No longer a Christian Nation

While repeating what someone else allegedly heard someone said can make a great talking point, just for the hell of it I tracked down the quote - Obama made the statement in an e-mail response to questions from Pat Robertson's Christian Broadcast Network (maybe Obama thought it was Al Jazeera)

"For progressives, I think we should recognize the role that values and culture play in addressing some of our most urgent social problems. As I've said many times before, the problems of poverty and racism, the uninsured and the unemployed aren't simply technical problems in search of a ten-point plan. They're rooted in both societal indifference and individual callousness - in the imperfections of man. When a gang-banger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels somebody disrespected him, we've got a moral problem. There's a hole in that young man's heart - a hole that the government alone cannot fix." ...

"I think that the right might worry a bit more about the dangers of sectarianism. Whatever we once were, we're no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers. We should acknowledge this and realize that when we're formulating policies from the state house to the Senate floor to the White House, we've got to work to translate our reasoning into values that are accessible to every one of our citizens, not just members of our own faith community."

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/204016.aspx

Clearly someone who is simply spouting the Mecca party line
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