Why register with the Steelers Fever Forums?
 • Intelligent and friendly discussions.
 • It's free and it's quick. Always.
 • Enter events in the forums calendar.
 • Very user friendly software.
 • Exclusive contests and giveaways.

 Donate to Steelers Fever, Click here
 Our 2013 Goal: $400.00 - To Date: $00.00 (00.00%)
 Home | Forums | Editorials | Shop | Tickets | Downloads | Contact Pittsburgh Steelers Forum Feed Not Just Fans. Hardcore Fans.

Go Back   Steelers Fever Forums > General Football > NFL Football


Steelers Fever Fan Shop

Doc's Sports Get FREE NFL Picks and College Football picks as well as Football Lines like live NFL Lines and updated NFL Power Rankings all at Doc's Sports Service.

Steelers Steelers - Giants Giants
August 9th, 2014, 7:30pmET

CBS
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 07-23-2008, 11:53 AM   #1
lamberts-lost-tooth
Banned
 
lamberts-lost-tooth's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Midwest
Posts: 10,829
Gender: Male
Member Number: 2363
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default Coaches rate NFL Refs

Rating refs touchy subject for NFL coaches
By Mike Sando
ESPN.com
Updated: July 11, 2008

Officiating can be an emotional subject for NFL head coaches. Pivotal calls that hurt their teams can remain fresh in their memories for years. In extreme cases, a botched call can contribute to a coaching staff's demise.

One prominent head coach offered a terse response when ESPN.com asked him to name the two best referees in the game.

"None of them," the coach huffed.

The response wasn't particularly surprising, but it wasn't the norm, either. Twenty-two of the 32 NFL head coaches named names when asked the question during a wide-ranging ESPN.com survey. Fifteen head coaches named at least one official when asked to single out the worst referees in the game. (Coaches were given anonymity for their candor.) The results were as mixed as the coaches' experiences with various officials presiding over their games.

Mike Carey and Ed Hochuli, two of the most familiar referees, commanded the most positive votes, with eight apiece. None of the other 15 regular referees who worked games in 2007 commanded more than three votes of support from coaches.

Hochuli, an Arizona trial attorney with comic-book musculature and post-call explanations precise enough to hold up in court, has worked two Super Bowls since becoming a referee in 1992. Carey, a former college running back whose company manufactures snow-skiing accessories, is one of two African-American referees and the first to work a Super Bowl.

"The guys that I think are really good, and I must say that most of our guys are really good, they don't impose themselves on the game," said Buffalo Bills coach Dick Jauron, who declined to name referees for the survey. "You don't necessarily notice them. The game is under control. And when there are any issues, they get to you quickly and they explain them, and they explain them in a way that you understand."

The league in recent years has asked officials to explain their rulings more thoroughly, for the benefit of coaches and fans. The idea is to eliminate confusion while instilling confidence in the referee, his crew and the process. Beyond seeking officials who get calls right, league officiating director Mike Pereira also looks for referees with strong leadership skills and the ability to project confidence.

"How does he go about preparing the crew?" Pereira said. "Does he focus on the negative or does he focus more on the positive? Those aspects are extremely important to me.

"And then the one that I also can't deny is, what does he project? How does he project himself when the camera is on and when the microphone is on? I do believe that if people have confidence in the referee, then they have confidence in the whole crew."

Coaches' confidence in Hochuli and Carey went only so far. Despite their 16 combined positive votes, both also generated more negative responses than every official but one. Gerald Austin, who is headed for retirement after 26 years as an NFL official and 18 as a referee, finished with a league-high six negative votes. No head coach listed him among the best referees.

Austin's crews assessed a league-low 8.9 penalties per game last season. Austin also averaged twice as many replay reversals per game as the other referees. Coaches won 11 of 14 challenges against Austin last season, easily the highest reversal rate among referees (the league average was less than 37 percent).

But that doesn't necessarily mean Austin graded out poorly overall. The league assigned him to work the San Diego Chargers' divisional playoff game at Indianapolis. Austin worked two Super Bowls in past seasons. He is also a past winner of the Art McNally Award for sportsmanship.

Austin was one of 10 referees assigned to work playoff games last season. Scott Green, Walt Coleman, Hochuli and Walt Anderson worked wild-card weekend. Carey, Jerome Boger and Peter Morelli joined Austin during the divisional round. Terry McAulay and Jeff Triplette worked the championship games before Carey drew Super Bowl XLII.



ESPN.com asked NFL head coaches whom they thought were the best and worst referees. Coaches were granted anonymity for their candor. Of the referees who received votes, Mike Carey and Ed Hochuli received the most positive votes, and Gerald Austin received the most negative responses.

Voting breakdown
Referee.......Best Votes.....Worst Votes.....Differential
Mike Carey...........8.......................3......... .............5
Ed Hochuli...........8........................4...... ...............4
Tony Corrente.....3........................0........... ..........3
Bill Carollo...........3........................0...... ...............3
Walt Coleman.....2........................0............ .........2
Bill Leavy..............2........................1..... ................1
John Parry............1........................0....... ..............1
Larry Nemmers...2........................2.............. .......0
Jeff Triplette..........0........................3..... ...............-3
Gerald Austin.......0........................6........... .........-6

"To me, the guys that are consistent, call everything the same way every time, and the guys that will explain to you what happened, that is what I like," said Colts coach Tony Dungy, who did not name the referees he considered the worst. "And most of our guys are that way."

Four coaches ranked Hochuli among the worst referees. Three ranked Carey among the worst. Triplette (three), Larry Nemmers (two) and Bill Leavy (one) also drew negative votes.

Three head coaches listed Tony Corrente and Bill Carollo among the best referees. Leavy, Nemmers and Walt Coleman each drew two positive votes. John Parry, a first-year referee in 2007, received the other positive vote.

Subtracting negative votes from positive votes left Carey at plus-five, followed by Hochuli at plus-four, Corrente and Carollo at plus-three, Coleman at plus-two and Leavy and Parry at plus-one. Nemmers was even. At the other end, Austin was minus-six and Triplette was minus-three.

Austin and Nemmers are retiring, Pereira said. Officials Carl Cheffers and Al Riveron were promoted to replace them.

Seven referees finished with zero votes of any kind: Anderson, Boger, Green, McAulay, Morelli, Gene Steratore and Ron Winter.

The NFL values coaches' input in evaluating officials, Pereira said.

The league's annual officiating meetings this month will include a panel featuring Dallas Cowboys coach Wade Phillips, former Pittsburgh Steelers coach Bill Cowher, a current player and a current official. The discussion will focus on what coaches and players value in an official, what information they want to hear from an official and what frustrates them about officiating.

Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan said he values officials who hold up well under pressure.

"The main thing is how he operates and how he functions during a game," Shanahan said. "Some guys communicate very well to the coach; other guys communicate very well to the players. The bottom line is, does a guy do a good job? Does he call a good game? And that is the key -- not how he communicates with a coach or with a player. Does he make the right calls?"
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...ike&id=3447256
lamberts-lost-tooth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2008, 12:07 PM   #2
tony hipchest
IRONMAN a.k.a. Tony Stark
 
tony hipchest's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Give me back my game...
Posts: 38,108
Member Number: 658
Thanks: 1,467
Thanked 6,155 Times in 2,650 Posts
Default Re: Coaches rate NFL Refs

Phil Luckett aka Lil' Phuckit- worst ref ever.

not like this is news to steelerfans (or any other teams fans, for that matter). he was almost worse than donnahey (?) the nba gambling ref.
__________________
tony hipchest is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2008, 12:39 PM   #3
redst3
Starter
Supporter
 
redst3's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Disputed Zone Al-Habib Waterway
Posts: 545
Gender: Male
Member Number: 480
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Coaches rate NFL Refs

Who was the nitwit that screwed up that call in the AFC Championship game where they ruled Troy didnt make the interception?
__________________
__ My View is "One Sided"_____________
redst3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2008, 12:49 PM   #4
lamberts-lost-tooth
Banned
 
lamberts-lost-tooth's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Midwest
Posts: 10,829
Gender: Male
Member Number: 2363
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default Re: Coaches rate NFL Refs

Quote:
Originally Posted by redst3 View Post
Who was the nitwit that screwed up that call in the AFC Championship game where they ruled Troy didnt make the interception?
Pete Morelli ....yea, he sucked REAL bad.
lamberts-lost-tooth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2008, 12:50 PM   #5
lamberts-lost-tooth
Banned
 
lamberts-lost-tooth's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Midwest
Posts: 10,829
Gender: Male
Member Number: 2363
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default Re: Coaches rate NFL Refs

Quote:
Originally Posted by tony hipchest View Post
Phil Luckett aka Lil' Phuckit- worst ref ever.

not like this is news to steelerfans (or any other teams fans, for that matter). he was almost worse than donnahey (?) the nba gambling ref.
He was involved in like three controversial calls that year that he gave the Lions a "W".
lamberts-lost-tooth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2008, 01:21 PM   #6
St33lersguy
Assistant Coach
 

Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,454
Member Number: 8456
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Coaches rate NFL Refs

Quote:
Originally Posted by redst3 View Post
Who was the nitwit that screwed up that call in the AFC Championship game where they ruled Troy didnt make the interception?
That was the AFC Divisional playoff game
St33lersguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2008, 01:24 PM   #7
St33lersguy
Assistant Coach
 

Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,454
Member Number: 8456
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Coaches rate NFL Refs

Anyone know the idiot who called roughing the kicker on Dewayne Washington when Joe Nedney intentionally fell after Dewayne barely bumped into him in the 02 Divisional playoffs against the Titans?
St33lersguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2008, 02:18 PM   #8
redst3
Starter
Supporter
 
redst3's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Disputed Zone Al-Habib Waterway
Posts: 545
Gender: Male
Member Number: 480
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Coaches rate NFL Refs

Thats it! Morelli

The year they got the coin flip wrong in 1998 I think was the same year blocking dummy Luckett ran into a Saints defensive back and cost them a game.
__________________
__ My View is "One Sided"_____________
redst3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2008, 02:49 PM   #9
lamberts-lost-tooth
Banned
 
lamberts-lost-tooth's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Midwest
Posts: 10,829
Gender: Male
Member Number: 2363
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default Re: Coaches rate NFL Refs

Quote:
Originally Posted by tony hipchest View Post
Phil Luckett aka Lil' Phuckit- worst ref ever.

not like this is news to steelerfans (or any other teams fans, for that matter). he was almost worse than donnahey (?) the nba gambling ref.
Lets not forget that Luckett was also involved in the Vinny Testerverde Touchdown call that wasnt even close....Yea....he sucked
lamberts-lost-tooth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2008, 03:11 PM   #10
tony hipchest
IRONMAN a.k.a. Tony Stark
 
tony hipchest's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Give me back my game...
Posts: 38,108
Member Number: 658
Thanks: 1,467
Thanked 6,155 Times in 2,650 Posts
Default Re: Coaches rate NFL Refs

Quote:
Originally Posted by lamberts-lost-tooth View Post
Lets not forget that Luckett was also involved in the Vinny Testerverde Touchdown call that wasnt even close....Yea....he sucked
remember when he tackled (got in the way of) that player deep in the backfield. i believe it was the saints joe horn on a bomb? horn went off.
__________________
tony hipchest is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:24 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Shoutbox provided by vBShout v6.2.1 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.0.8 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.
Navbar with Avatar by Motorradforum
no new posts