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Old 08-29-2008, 07:00 PM   #51
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I'm not attacking her; and I understand that everyone who is already for McCain will like this choice. What I'm saying is that it is a poor choice to sway the undecided voters who will decide this election. It is not a good choice as part of a strategy to win.

Attacking her, defending her, attacking Biden, defending Biden, all of that is irrelevant right now. The undecideds will make up their mind some time at the end of October, and the Republicans' most effective tool was hammering on Obama's inexperience... and now they can't use that tool effectively. They have handed its counter -weapon to their enemy. And that was a bad strategic move.

Maybe they have a different tool. But this campaign has been a strange reversal. The Democrats seem to be on their game, and the Republican machine that won so effectively in '00 and '08 seems to be slightly off. If they can convince me, I'll pull the "R" lever and not look back; they got me in '00. But this wasn't how to start. I wouldn't vote for Mary Ann Petrilla, the Luzerne County Commissioner, for VP, no matter how much integrity she has (and she has a lot; she is a very impressive woman at fighting corruption in government). She would be out of her league on the national level. As would most local politicians.
Being the governor is a bit more than a "local politician." It doesn't matter how small Alaska is, she still ran the entire state, dealt with all of the issues that come with running a state and was held responsible by the citizens of that state. To me, that's a bit of a slap in the face not only to her, but to Alaskans, because it's saying that they don't matter because they only have 683,000 people. Last I checked, the Prez and VP were supposed to represent everyone, not just the big states with the most votes.
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Old 08-29-2008, 07:02 PM   #52
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True dat.... The Dems are on their game. Trying to ignite class warfare, trying to scare the elderly.. taking union memeber for granted while doing nothing for them. Yeah ill say they are on it as usual.
It is the exact same strategy that won for the Republicans in '88 (remember Willie Horton), in '00, and in '04. It was initially conceived by Republican strategist Lee Atwater, and perfected by his protege Karl Rove. I make no judgment on whether it is fair, or ethical, or anything. It works. And the Republicans are usually really good at it.
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Default Re: McCain selects governor Palin as running mate.

Correction: The VP job has juice now, and will forevermore. Thank Cheney for that...so there is merit to discussing the experience factor of #2.

But this is what i take away from all this...there is this CONSTANT undercurrent in debates amongst the more politically savvy about how we'd like to see a return to more earthy type politicians, the type of politicians the founding fathers had in mind, real representatives of the people.

Tell me Palin doesn't fit that bill...
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Correction: The VP job has juice now, and will forevermore. Thank Cheney for that...so there is merit to discussing the experience factor of #2.

But this is what i take away from all this...there is this CONSTANT undercurrent in debates amongst the more politically savvy about how we'd like to see a return to more earthy type politicians, the type of politicians the founding fathers had in mind, real representatives of the people.

Tell me Palin doesn't fit that bill...
HOPE!!!!!!!!!!! CHANGE!!!!! oh....... sorry, temporary brainwashing. You mean there is something else to an election than hope and change?
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Being the governor is a bit more than a "local politician." It doesn't matter how small Alaska is, she still ran the entire state, dealt with all of the issues that come with running a state and was held responsible by the citizens of that state. To me, that's a bit of a slap in the face not only to her, but to Alaskans, because it's saying that they don't matter because they only have 683,000 people. Last I checked, the Prez and VP were supposed to represent everyone, not just the big states with the most votes.
Alaska, population 683,000, about the same size as Pittsburgh in its prime, is generally agreed to be the easiest state to run due its vast tundra.

But again, you are missing my point. I'm not attacking her, I'm analyzing her effect on the ticket and how it weighs on that ticket's chance of success. If it offends you, I can't help that.
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Alaska, population 683,000, about the same size as Pittsburgh in its prime, is generally agreed to be the easiest state to run due its vast tundra.

But again, you are missing my point. I'm not attacking her, I'm analyzing her effect on the ticket and how it weighs on that ticket's chance of success. If it offends you, I can't help that.
I lived in alaska. I was in the army, and i was stationed at fort wainwright for nearly 3 years. Alaska is one of the most diverse states, and it the the largest state. Im sure Deleware is such a hard state

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I lived in alaska. I was in the army, and i was stationed at fort wainwright for nearly 3 years. Alaska is one of the most diverse states, and it the the largest state. Im sure Deleware is such a hard state

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a mccain advisor on CNN just called her the commander in chief of the alaskan national guard and has a son going to iraq as support that she is equipped in foreign policy. as someone who served up there do you feel this holds water when we are fighting 2 wars?
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a mccain advisor on CNN just called her the commander in chief of the alaskan national guard and has a son going to iraq as support that she is equipped in foreign policy. as someone who served up there do you feel this holds water when we are fighting 2 wars?
Tony. I was stationed there before she was gov. I was there from early 2001- late 2003. But the Governer of a state is the commander of the Guard, and I know her son is a soldier. Do I think she is A foregin policy expert? No. Is Obama? No. Whatever happened to a normal person running for office? I guess americans do want to bow down to lifetime politicans aka hustlers.
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Well, Tony. I was stationed there before she was gov. I was there from early 2001- late 2003. But the Governer of a state is the commander of the Guard, and I know her son is a soldier. Do I think she is A foregin policy expert? No. Is Obama? No. Whatever happened to a normal person running for office? I guess americans do want to bow down to lifetime politicans aka hustlers.
what im asking (cause i really dont know) is like in NM sometimes the guard has to be called for boarder protection. In CA they had to be called up for the rodney king riots. in LA for katrina relief.

since the guard and army are loosly related as far as potential military service goes i was just wondering how much the guard is actually used up there? i mean im sure they responded to exxon valdez but does that mean if theres an oil spill in the persian gulf she is ready to deploy troops to go was ducks with dish soap?

again, by no means am i trying to demean your service. my dad was stationed at the tip of the alutians, spying on the russians w/ sattelites.
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what im asking (cause i really dont know) is like in NM sometimes the guard has to be called for boarder protection. In CA they had to be called up for the rodney king riots. in LA for katrina relief.

since the guard and army are loosly related as far as potential military service goes i was just wondering how much the guard is actually used up there? i mean im sure they responded to exxon valdez but does that mean if theres an oil spill in the persian gulf she is ready to deploy troops to go was ducks with dish soap?

again, by no means am i trying to demean your service. my dad was stationed at the tip of the alutians, spying on the russians w/ sattelites.
The National Guard is as much as a force as the regular army is. The Commander commands. When was the last time the comander in chief led troops into battle? thats right The whiskey rebellion in 1792 in Western PA!!!!
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