So are we going to develop our qb now?

Rush58 · 11-29-2005, 08:50 AM

15 attempts a game on 3rd downs will not cut it. I wonder how far a long would Carson Palmer be in our offense right now? Smashmouth football doesn't win in the modern era. Sure, it will get us 10 or 12 wins b/c we can play defense and run it fairly ok, but when we play a team that can score some points, we can't compete. Why? B/c we don't have a qb? No, b/c our philosophy is deciding it for us. We are just wasting a good young qb with a bunch of conservative playcalling. I am amazed Big Ben has played this well with the lack of attempts he's been given. Plaxico, the guy who I hate, said it best, "I was drafted to play wide receiver, not running back." Well, Cowher, Big Ben was drafted in the 1st round to throw the damn ball, not hand it off!

BTW, this topic is not about last night's game. I am looking at the big picture. If we are going to get to the Super Bowl, we have to become a balance team. That means we have to develop Big Ben.

Eztarget · 11-29-2005, 11:22 AM

Well you need to start by replacing the turnstyles that are blocking for him. As big as some of those guys are the tiny but quick Colts D-linemen were making them their b!tches ALL NIGHT!

If you can't run the ball against a small team like the Colts on the road you ain't winning the big games.

Cowher will always be that "good" coach that gets you near the mountain but NEVER climbs it.

Onside kick in a 9 point game?

QB draw on 4th and 4 with a QB coming off knee surgery?

STUPID, STUPID!

BlitzburghRockCity · 11-29-2005, 03:08 PM

So goes our OL, so goes Ben, so goes the running game.. it all starts w/ the 5 guys up front who just are not getting it done.

I have no problems w/ Ben's progression as a QB..when he has a time and an OL to block for him he's as good as it gets and does what we need to win. He's proved that since he became the starter..but w/ no running game and no blocking, even peyton manning wouldnt be doing any better.. its true.. manning has a running game and an OL to keep the pressure off him, thats why he generally stays in the pocket, its his forte and he can afford to do it w/ his OL playing well.

It doesnt matter who you are, if ur not getting protection, ur not doing anything.

clevestinks · 11-29-2005, 03:52 PM

I agree we should pass more! But trying to run and control the clock, is the right game plan agaist a team like the Colts. It didn`t work for us because we didn`t play well.

RoethlisBURGHer · 11-29-2005, 05:12 PM

We need to draft an o-lineman in the first round this year,IMHO.

Koopa · 11-29-2005, 05:21 PM

we need to draft a good running back in the first round cause after bettis retires we don't have no one on the roster that can carry the load all season. then i say in the second round draft oline......anyway i hate cowher i'm tired of holding it in......... i know a few of y'all like him but i don't see how, i just can't be satisfied with a nice regular season record, i rather sneak into the playoffs and win it all then dominate all season long and do what cowher does best and choke in the big games. they need to start using big ben the way he's supposed to be used, handing it off ain't gonna win us shit but regular season games

clevestinks · 11-29-2005, 05:37 PM

I want a big time WR in the first round. And a fast lb in the second. We have to be able to get a good FA olinemen

BlitzburghRockCity · 11-29-2005, 06:25 PM

I want Larry Johnson in a Steeler uniform next year, and I want a WR in the first round, a RG in the 2nd and a DL in the 3rd...

Koopa · 11-29-2005, 09:06 PM

well the way larry johnson is playing the way priest holmes keeps breakin himself, we have as much of a chance of getting him as maddox has of not throwing an int

steelcityjameser · 11-29-2005, 09:28 PM

i don't think "not developing the qb" is the major concern for the steelers. come on, look at his career record; he is coming along fine. it is the qb's best friend and the cornerstone of any great offense that we are having problems in developing: the offensive line. last night it seemed more glaring to me than ever. the offensive line could not pass block, they could not run block, THEY were getting pancaked! the last 3 weeks we blamed the sluggish offense on the backup qb's. i wanted to believe that maddox was sacked because of his immobility and his passes were rushed b/c of his failure to recognize the defenses. this week we didn't have that excuse. pathetic. this issue must be addressed before we develop into the offense that we need to be.

11-29-2005, 08:50 AM	#1
Rush58 Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 532 Member Number: 516 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	So are we going to develop our qb now? 15 attempts a game on 3rd downs will not cut it. I wonder how far a long would Carson Palmer be in our offense right now? Smashmouth football doesn't win in the modern era. Sure, it will get us 10 or 12 wins b/c we can play defense and run it fairly ok, but when we play a team that can score some points, we can't compete. Why? B/c we don't have a qb? No, b/c our philosophy is deciding it for us. We are just wasting a good young qb with a bunch of conservative playcalling. I am amazed Big Ben has played this well with the lack of attempts he's been given. Plaxico, the guy who I hate, said it best, "I was drafted to play wide receiver, not running back." Well, Cowher, Big Ben was drafted in the 1st round to throw the damn ball, not hand it off! BTW, this topic is not about last night's game. I am looking at the big picture. If we are going to get to the Super Bowl, we have to become a balance team. That means we have to develop Big Ben. Last edited by Rush58; 11-29-2005 at 08:54 AM.

11-29-2005, 11:22 AM	#2
Eztarget Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Standing "Right" Behind you! Posts: 547 Member Number: 162 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: So are we going to develop our qb now? Well you need to start by replacing the turnstyles that are blocking for him. As big as some of those guys are the tiny but quick Colts D-linemen were making them their b!tches ALL NIGHT! If you can't run the ball against a small team like the Colts on the road you ain't winning the big games. Cowher will always be that "good" coach that gets you near the mountain but NEVER climbs it. Onside kick in a 9 point game? QB draw on 4th and 4 with a QB coming off knee surgery? STUPID, STUPID!

11-29-2005, 03:08 PM	#3
BlitzburghRockCity Banned Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Central PA. Posts: 8,144 Gender: Male Member Number: 70 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: So are we going to develop our qb now? So goes our OL, so goes Ben, so goes the running game.. it all starts w/ the 5 guys up front who just are not getting it done. I have no problems w/ Ben's progression as a QB..when he has a time and an OL to block for him he's as good as it gets and does what we need to win. He's proved that since he became the starter..but w/ no running game and no blocking, even peyton manning wouldnt be doing any better.. its true.. manning has a running game and an OL to keep the pressure off him, thats why he generally stays in the pocket, its his forte and he can afford to do it w/ his OL playing well. It doesnt matter who you are, if ur not getting protection, ur not doing anything.

11-29-2005, 03:52 PM	#4
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11-29-2005, 05:21 PM	#6
Koopa Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Third Coast Born, That Mean I'm Texas Raised Posts: 3,439 Gender: Male Member Number: 508 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: So are we going to develop our qb now? we need to draft a good running back in the first round cause after bettis retires we don't have no one on the roster that can carry the load all season. then i say in the second round draft oline......anyway i hate cowher i'm tired of holding it in......... i know a few of y'all like him but i don't see how, i just can't be satisfied with a nice regular season record, i rather sneak into the playoffs and win it all then dominate all season long and do what cowher does best and choke in the big games. they need to start using big ben the way he's supposed to be used, handing it off ain't gonna win us shit but regular season games

11-29-2005, 05:37 PM	#7
clevestinks Living Legend Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,326 Member Number: 302 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: So are we going to develop our qb now? I want a big time WR in the first round. And a fast lb in the second. We have to be able to get a good FA olinemen __________________ [

11-29-2005, 06:25 PM	#8
BlitzburghRockCity Banned Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Central PA. Posts: 8,144 Gender: Male Member Number: 70 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: So are we going to develop our qb now? I want Larry Johnson in a Steeler uniform next year, and I want a WR in the first round, a RG in the 2nd and a DL in the 3rd...

11-29-2005, 09:06 PM	#9
Koopa Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Third Coast Born, That Mean I'm Texas Raised Posts: 3,439 Gender: Male Member Number: 508 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: So are we going to develop our qb now? well the way larry johnson is playing the way priest holmes keeps breakin himself, we have as much of a chance of getting him as maddox has of not throwing an int

11-29-2005, 09:28 PM	#10
steelcityjameser Draft Prospect Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Here we go Steelers! Posts: 62 Gender: Male Member Number: 827 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: So are we going to develop our qb now? i don't think "not developing the qb" is the major concern for the steelers. come on, look at his career record; he is coming along fine. it is the qb's best friend and the cornerstone of any great offense that we are having problems in developing: the offensive line. last night it seemed more glaring to me than ever. the offensive line could not pass block, they could not run block, THEY were getting pancaked! the last 3 weeks we blamed the sluggish offense on the backup qb's. i wanted to believe that maddox was sacked because of his immobility and his passes were rushed b/c of his failure to recognize the defenses. this week we didn't have that excuse. pathetic. this issue must be addressed before we develop into the offense that we need to be. __________________ thejameser

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