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Old 09-25-2008, 10:22 AM   #11
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If surrounding yourself with good people is important, Obama has much to answer for.
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Old 09-25-2008, 10:27 AM   #12
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ok. so are you saying it woulda been good if obama rejected FM's contributions?

there are rich crooks who make contributions all across the board.

dirty money is everywhere in america. you and i both know this.

for me, specifically, its a not issue. its about as important as obama being muslim, biden being catholic, mccain thinking islam is the devil, and palin thinking... well i guess she thinks dinosaurs and man co-existed. whatever.

fixing this mess is what im concerned about. driving while watching the rearview mirror isnt the way to go about it.
I agree with you in principal Tony...however...if Obama does get into office....I will be very worried about people like Franklin Raines & Penny Pritzker.

...and that is not a knock against Obama as much as its fear of people of the ilk of Raines and Pritzler getting their hands on our already shaky economy
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"now?"

personally i dont care where candidates get their campaign contributions. for me surrounding oneself with the best people is MUCH more important and that has ALWAYS been my stance.
....and again...that is what worries me.
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If surrounding yourself with good people is important, Obama has much to answer for.
doesnt everybody?

it is true that you are judged by the company you keep, and everyone has kept bad company. but im living in the "here and now", and trying not to navigate the highways by looking in the rearview window. i wanna see things through the windshield going forward. i wanna see good co-pilots capable of navigating the rocky roads.

LLT notes all of obamas ties to FM but has still refused to even aknowledge the existance of "foreclosure phil" gramm.

i get that obama placed calls to the former CEO for general housing advice. who better to call? were the calls taken inside prison? jim johnson was hired to interview potential veep candidates. not actually be the veep. all these crooks are people who maximized capitalism in america to the fullest. some toe the line, and some definitely cross it. some swim in the gray areas.

c'mon, youre a nascar and a chad knaus fan. i wouldnt care if he got busted cheating and banned for life. if i ever needed help fixing my car, i would definitely seek is advice, if it were available to me. its common sense.

who's advice should obama seek on housing issues? the CEO of mcdonalds?

its kinda like that movie "catch me if you can". huge crook becomes a govt employee in fraud detection and prevention.

i understand that no candidate on this big of a stage will be able to 100% distance themself from crooked money. it the nature of the beast.
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I'm not a Knaus fan. I defend him in the sense that I defend everyone in the garage: They all cheat.

But trying to elevate Obama by the company he keeps is the ultimate irony. For Christ's sake, he hangs with a dude that wants to kill whitey!
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I'm not a Knaus fan. I defend him in the sense that I defend everyone in the garage: They all cheat.

But trying to elevate Obama by the company he keeps is the ultimate irony. For Christ's sake, he hangs with a dude that wants to kill whitey!
so by that you can infer that obama wants to kill whitey? that some pretty shakey logic.

the whole reverend argument is pretty much grasping at straws. thats why i rarely bring up mccains pastor. plus attending church on sundays hardly constitutes "surrounding oneself with".

ok, so youre not a knaus fan. i would still take the advice of the most cheatingest, lying, heavilly fined crew cheif in nascar when it came to fixing my car. i think you get the point.

in fact, you built upon my point. crew chiefs in the garage are much like politicians in washington.

they all lie and cheat. (except the penske guys of course- why do you think the successful ones keep getting fired and they suck thereafter )
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So, the company you keep only matters situationally? I see, I see...
In other words, it matters when it's casting a negative light on a candidate, you know, oh....say...John McCain, but really doesn't matter nearly as much if the shadowy and controversial and polarizing characters in question are cavorting with Obama.
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So, the company you keep only matters situationally? I see, I see...
In other words, it matters when it's casting a negative light on a candidate, you know, oh....say...John McCain, but really doesn't matter nearly as much if the shadowy and controversial and polarizing characters in question are cavorting with Obama.
"in other words"????

you mean like the ones you chose to put in my mouth? thats not very fair debate or discussion. if you need clarification just ask.
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How can direct PAC funds (lobbyists directly contributing funds into Obama campaign purse) be of lessor consequence than one of McCain's staffers getting money from the same source? One is a direct path, the other is indirect.

You're right, this is not a wash. Obama is directly benefitting from these contributions, while McCain is not, therefore Obama's connections to Freddie Mac are much more dubious.

Strangely, the mainstream media is all but ignoring Obama's connections...why might that be?
Your post peaked more curiousity, so I checked with the federal Election Commission. Here what the official filings report:

McCain:
http://www.fec.gov/DisclosureSearch/...searchKeyword=

Obama:
http://www.fec.gov/DisclosureSearch/...searchKeyword=

So officially Obama does not accept PAC donations. Some may view this as semantics, others as legal documentation.

I'll see if any other pertinent information can be easily found, then share.
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Check his SENATE disclosure. That was where the Freddie Mac money came from. 2nd on the list of recipients...he must have done some good work for them.

And, Tony, you got caught, fair and square. McCain's company matters, and Obama's doesn't. You said it yourself, not me...
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