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Old 09-24-2008, 06:27 PM   #21
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Default Re: Hartwig to Blame For the Most Sacks

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i find that this one gets the point across...
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Old 09-24-2008, 07:23 PM   #22
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So much for Hartwig being the answer.... and Mahan being the problem.

from a link in another thread, I found this little beauty...
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/09/22/w...t-eagles/#cont

Now... Let's talk about this a second.

1. Who was responsible for the MOST sacks? Hmmmmmmmmmmm? That's right. HARTWIG.

2. Who's name is NOT up there that is almost ALWAYS spoken of with disdain? That's right, SIMMONS.


So much for all these website know-it-alls who think Simmons and Mahan were our problems last year, and cried cried cried when we let Faneca go.

Oh yeah, let's look at Faneca's replacement. How many sacks was that? 1? Only his third game starting?

What I learned from this little tidbit.

1. Faneca-- We DONT need you, your replacement is fine.

2. Hartwig sucked this game worse than Mahan EVERY DID in a game.

3. People need to cool off about Simmons.

4. Colon needs to figure out what is wrong.

I think Ben is partly responsible now as is Arians........throw the ball quick or set up screens and flat passes......that is how to counter all out blitzes.........simple and it words
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Old 09-24-2008, 07:45 PM   #23
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Default Re: Hartwig to Blame For the Most Sacks

Here is what I have seen from the line so far:

Kendall Simmons has looked very good so far. I hope he keeps up the good work. Right now he is the best player on the line.

I've seen a lot of good things and some bad things from Kemoeatu. I see some errors and his lack of experience shows, but he is still learning on the job and he should turn out to be a solid starter. I like his run blocking.

Marvel Smith is showing decline in his play. He was beat bad last week. I think Smith is gone after 2008.

Willie Colon sucks at RT, but he is playing out of position. Colon gets beat way too often. He isn't athletic or skilled enough to play RT, but he may be a decent guard.

Hartwig is terrible. It looks like the Steelers have ended it's tradition of Pro Bowl centers giving the position stability and replaced it with the annual signing of bums like Mahan and Hartwig. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hartwig cut or traded next year only to be replaced by someone just as bad.

Zierlien needs to go. I don't understand why Tomlin hired this guy, he has been the coach of some of the worst lines in the NFL. I doubt he could effectively coach a high school team. Larry Z should have been fired after Porngate.
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Old 09-25-2008, 04:28 AM   #24
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Hartwig did not play well but that is one game lets see what he does against the Ravens on monday night then I will throw my judgement out.
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Old 09-25-2008, 02:47 PM   #25
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So much for Hartwig being the answer.... and Mahan being the problem.
Gee, I thought that debate had long since been resolved. sarcasm smiley?

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http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/09/22/w...t-eagles/#cont
SACKS ALLOWED
Player .... Sacks
Justin Hartwig 3
Willie Colon 2
Marvel Smith 1.5
Chris Kemoeatu 1
Heath Miller 1
Mewelde Moore .5
Problem with this is these are not official stats. Here are stats from another analyst which include analysis and video that you can view at the link provided. Before you question the math, please go to the link and read the article.

FINAL SACK TOTALS:
Moore - 2
Ben - 2
Kemo - 2
Miller - 1
Smith - 1
Colon - 1
Hartwig -1
http://www.postgameheroes.com/?p=3643#more-3643

Did you notice this analyst included Ben on his list. While the first analyst was criticized by fans in the comment section, for not faulting Ben and Arians for their lack of adjustments. Did you notice that Hartwig is credited for only one sack.

Even though this thread is basically just to prove a point, as misleading and off base as it is, it serves to criticize those that critiqued Mahan. Just as now there is a huge debate over the O-line and Arians. The entire offense has conceded that it was a team failure. Tomlin has conceded the coaches need to do a better job.

I enjoy this site because of the intelligent folks that populate it. Living in N.E., I don't have many Steelers fans to talk to. I do not enjoy that sometimes I feel I cannot voice my opinion without being "labeled" by other members.

Let's all get on the same page and root for our team to play the way we know they are capable.
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Old 09-25-2008, 03:32 PM   #26
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Gee, I thought that debate had long since been resolved. sarcasm smiley?


Problem with this is these are not official stats. Here are stats from another analyst which include analysis and video that you can view at the link provided. Before you question the math, please go to the link and read the article.

FINAL SACK TOTALS:
Moore - 2
Ben - 2
Kemo - 2
Miller - 1
Smith - 1
Colon - 1
Hartwig -1
http://www.postgameheroes.com/?p=3643#more-3643

Did you notice this analyst included Ben on his list. While the first analyst was criticized by fans in the comment section, for not faulting Ben and Arians for their lack of adjustments. Did you notice that Hartwig is credited for only one sack.

Even though this thread is basically just to prove a point, as misleading and off base as it is, it serves to criticize those that critiqued Mahan. Just as now there is a huge debate over the O-line and Arians. The entire offense has conceded that it was a team failure. Tomlin has conceded the coaches need to do a better job.

I enjoy this site because of the intelligent folks that populate it. Living in N.E., I don't have many Steelers fans to talk to. I do not enjoy that sometimes I feel I cannot voice my opinion without being "labeled" by other members.

Let's all get on the same page and root for our team to play the way we know they are capable.
Talk about misleading...

This thread serves to show that SCAPEGOATING is not the answer and Mahan wasn't the hole in the tub that needed to be corked. Did Mahan have problems? Absolutely. I wasn't convinced he was a good center. I am, however, convinced that he was about as good as anyone else on that line right now, save Simmons.

THAT is teh point of the thread.
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So much for Hartwig being the answer.... and Mahan being the problem.

from a link in another thread, I found this little beauty...
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/09/22/w...t-eagles/#cont

Now... Let's talk about this a second.

1. Who was responsible for the MOST sacks? Hmmmmmmmmmmm? That's right. HARTWIG.

2. Who's name is NOT up there that is almost ALWAYS spoken of with disdain? That's right, SIMMONS.


So much for all these website know-it-alls who think Simmons and Mahan were our problems last year, and cried cried cried when we let Faneca go.

Oh yeah, let's look at Faneca's replacement. How many sacks was that? 1? Only his third game starting?

What I learned from this little tidbit.

1. Faneca-- We DONT need you, your replacement is fine.

2. Hartwig sucked this game worse than Mahan EVERY DID
in a game.


3. People need to cool off about Simmons.

4. Colon needs to figure out what is wrong.

Dude what are you smokin. Mahan's opposition nearly every game last season had their best outing of the year. I guess you never seen this link.

http://www.postgameheroes.com/?p=2567
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Old 09-25-2008, 04:20 PM   #28
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Talk about misleading...

This thread serves to show that SCAPEGOATING is not the answer and Mahan wasn't the hole in the tub that needed to be corked. Did Mahan have problems? Absolutely. I wasn't convinced he was a good center. I am, however, convinced that he was about as good as anyone else on that line right now, save Simmons.

THAT is teh point of the thread.
I never denied that Mahan had problems playing the C position either. How many times does it have to be stated on this board that Mahan was NOT a natural C and had played G most of his career before being thrust into the C role with the Steelers?

That postgameheroes website is nothing but a group of football jocks rendering their opinion, just as we do here. More like a glorified blog.

I go by what I see on gameday and the DVR the following day, and though it may differ in what someone else may see, since I'm not on the field or on the line myself, I go with what I see with my own eyes.
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I never denied that Mahan had problems playing the C position either. How many times does it have to be stated on this board that Mahan was NOT a natural C and had played G most of his career before being thrust into the C role with the Steelers?

That postgameheroes website is nothing but a group of football jocks rendering their opinion, just as we do here. More like a glorified blog.

I go by what I see on gameday and the DVR the following day, and though it may differ in what someone else may see, since I'm not on the field or on the line myself, I go with what I see with my own eyes.
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Everyone knows it's all Willie's fault.
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