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Old 10-05-2008, 11:13 AM   #1
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Default Step 2 in Obama Race Card...

So when has questioning someone's past been off limits?

SInce that someone is an "African American Democrat"

It sure is ok to question a Republicans past though... isn't it.

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WASHINGTON (AP) - By claiming that Democrat Barack Obama is "palling around with terrorists" and doesn't see the U.S. like other Americans, vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin targeted key goals for a faltering campaign. And though she may have scored a political hit each time, her attack was unsubstantiated and carried a racially tinged subtext that John McCain himself may come to regret.
First, Palin's attack shows that her energetic debate with rival Joe Biden may be just the beginning, not the end, of a sharpened role in the battle to win the presidency.
"Our opponent ... is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect, imperfect enough, that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country," Palin told a group of donors in Englewood, Colo. A deliberate attempt to smear Obama, McCain's ticket-mate echoed the line at three separate events Saturday.
"This is not a man who sees America like you and I see America," she said. "We see America as a force of good in this world. We see an America of exceptionalism."
Her reference to Obama's relationship with William Ayers, a member of the Vietnam-era Weather Underground, was exaggerated at best if not outright false. No evidence shows they were "pals" or even close when they worked on community boards years ago and Ayers hosted a political event for Obama early in his career.
Obama, who was a child when the Weathermen were planting bombs, has denounced Ayers' radical views and actions.
With her criticism, Palin is taking on the running mate's traditional role of attacker, said Rich Galen, a Republican strategist.
"There appears to be a newfound sense of confidence in Sarah Palin as a candidate, given her performance the other night," Galen said. "I think that they are comfortable enough with her now that she's got the standing with the electorate to take off after Obama."
Second, Palin's incendiary charge draws media and voter attention away from the worsening economy. It also comes after McCain supported a pork-laden Wall Street bailout plan in spite of conservative anger and his own misgivings.
"It's a giant changing of the subject," said Jenny Backus, a Democratic strategist. "The problem is the messenger. If you want to start throwing fire bombs, you don't send out the fluffy bunny to do it. I think people don't take Sarah Palin seriously."
The larger purpose behind Palin's broadside is to reintroduce the question of Obama's associations. Millions of voters, many of them open to being swayed to one side or the other, are starting to pay attention to an election a month away.
For the McCain campaign, that makes Obama's ties to Ayers as well as convicted felon Antoin "Tony" Rezko and the controversial minister Jeremiah Wright ripe for renewed criticism. And Palin brings a fresh voice to the argument.
Effective character attacks have come earlier in campaigns. In June 1988, Republican George H.W. Bush criticized Democrat Michael Dukakis over the furlough granted to Willie Horton, a convicted murderer who then raped a woman and stabbed her companion. Related TV ads followed in September and October.
The Vietnam-era Swift Boat veterans who attacked Democrat John Kerry's war record started in the spring of 2004 and gained traction in late summer.
"The four weeks that are left are an eternity. There's plenty of time in the campaign," said Republican strategist Joe Gaylord. "I think it is a legitimate strategy to talk about Obama and to talk about his background and who he pals around with."
Palin's words avoid repulsing voters with overt racism. But is there another subtext for creating the false image of a black presidential nominee "palling around" with terrorists while assuring a predominantly white audience that he doesn't see their America?
In a post-Sept. 11 America, terrorists are envisioned as dark-skinned radical Muslims, not the homegrown anarchists of Ayers' day 40 years ago. With Obama a relative unknown when he began his campaign, the Internet hummed with false e-mails about ties to radical Islam of a foreign-born candidate.
Whether intended or not by the McCain campaign, portraying Obama as "not like us" is another potential appeal to racism. It suggests that the Hawaiian-born Christian is, at heart, un-American.
Most troubling, however, is how allowing racism to creep into the discussion serves McCain's purpose so well. As the fallout from Wright's sermons showed earlier this year, forcing Obama to abandon issues to talk about race leads to unresolved arguments about America's promise to treat all people equally.
John McCain occasionally looks back on decisions with regret. He has apologized for opposing a holiday to honor Martin Luther King Jr. He has apologized for refusing to call for the removal of a Confederate flag from South Carolina's Capitol.
When the 2008 campaign is over McCain might regret appeals such as Palin's perhaps more so if he wins.

Man.. You talk about REACHING to make an issue... and paint a person as racist.

what a joke.

Do these idiots actually believe that anyone who isn't far left is so dumb as to not recognize that "Bill Ayers" is NOT a Muslim name? So how in the WORLD can this be made into a RACIAL issue.

I will tell you what it really is.... The DNC is a bit scared that this issue has FINALLY been brought up.

Like I said, step 2 in the Obama Race Card... Questioning him is off-limits.
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Default Re: Step 2 in Obama Race Card...

this issue was brought up a year ago.

it is mccain and his lagging numbers who are desperate for re-hashing this.

its all part of their campaign to keep their heads above water though.
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Old 10-05-2008, 11:41 AM   #3
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Default Re: Step 2 in Obama Race Card...

Preacher - you should have highlighted this part.

Whether intended or not by the McCain campaign, portraying Obama as "not like us" is another potential appeal to racism. It suggests that the Hawaiian-born Christian is, at heart, un-American.
Most troubling, however, is how allowing racism to creep into the discussion serves McCain's purpose so well. As the fallout from Wright's sermons showed earlier this year, forcing Obama to abandon issues to talk about race leads to unresolved arguments about America's promise to treat all people equally.


I don't know where you're getting the part about Obama's past being off-limits.

Here's a logical deduction:
Racism is alive and well in this country
Racists won't vote for Obama but they might not vote for anyone.
An undecided vote is a still a vote - and a valuable one at this point.

It's clear this is something that works for McCain. He's going to keep trying to use anything he can. The McCain camp would be stupid not to keep beating this into people's heads - especially in these last weeks when everyone starts going for the kill.
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this issue was brought up a year ago.

it is mccain and his lagging numbers who are desperate for re-hashing this.

its all part of their campaign to keep their heads above water though.
You mean like Bush's DWI record 15/20 something years before that was brought up in the last few days of the 2000 election? Or the faux issue with Bush reporting for duty in the Air National Guard?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

But what is sickening is to make up that these two are racists... Doesn't it bother you at ALL that the DNC is hiding behind the race card? Basically saying, "Look, he's black. So you can't talk about these things."

Sorry... it doesnt fly.
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Sorry... it doesnt fly.
i mean like if mccain/palin had obama like lead in the polls, this would still remain a dead non issue.

it is what it is. grasping at straws.

the american public isnt stupid. they dont need the DNC to remind them obama is black.

i think it would also help if the righties would learn the difference between the media and DNC. it seems like the 2 are often used interchangebly
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this issue was brought up a year ago.

it is mccain and his lagging numbers who are desperate for re-hashing this.

its all part of their campaign to keep their heads above water though.
Don't know what you've been reading, Tony, but McCain's numbers are NOT lagging. Keep on drinking that Obama kool-aid, though - it's funny!

The ONLY numbers that matter are the final numbers on election night and I think you are going to be quite shocked.

I've never believed that Obama sees the same America as I do and that's one of the reasons why I can't support him. He mentored (his words) under Jeremiah Wright (I won't even refer to him as a man of God) for 22+ years and as my Mama always told me when I was a youngin' - "tell me who you hang with and I'll tell you what you are". Turn about is fair play - suck it up Demos.
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The ONLY numbers that matter are the final numbers on election night and I think you are going to be quite shocked.

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yes, i know. "Kerrybastard in 04..."

*sigh*

everybody needs hope though

oh btw, ive been reading your posts and i come away with the impression that bush is great and mccain is holding on to a HUGE lead.

(beer for me. whats in your glass?)
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i mean like if mccain/palin had obama like lead in the polls, this would still remain a dead non issue.

it is what it is. grasping at straws.

the american public isnt stupid. they dont need the DNC to remind them obama is black.

i think it would also help if the righties would learn the difference between the media and DNC. it seems like the 2 are often used interchangebly
Really? You mean like the difference between Foxnews, Rush and Hannity on one hand, and the GOP on the other?

This nation is split into two groups, liberals and conservatives. The media is split just as much... and defends their party just as fervently.
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Really? You mean like the difference between Foxnews, Rush and Hannity on one hand, and the GOP on the other?

This nation is split into two groups, liberals and conservatives. The media is split just as much... and defends their party just as fervently.
ok. i'll give you a chance to clarify yourself...

who wrote the article YOU posted? the RNC, the DNC, the Liberal media, or the Conservative media?

my point still stands.

IM not the one who tried to shift/spin/deflect a liberal article onto the DNC.
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yes, i know. "Kerrybastard in 04..."

*sigh*

everybody needs hope though

oh btw, ive been reading your posts and i come away with the impression that bush is great and mccain is holding on to a HUGE lead.

(beer for me. whats in your glass?)
I've never said or implied, Tony, that I feel Bush is "great" or that McCain is holding onto a "huge lead". I have made it clear on more than one occasion on this board that I hold this country's safety and security above everything else and though Bush has made his share of fubars in the last 8 years, I respect him for his efforts and obvious success in protecting the citizens of this great country and particularly, those I love. At the risk of sounding redundant, if this country is attacked again by terrorists, it is quite possible we won't have to worry about any of the other issues being stumped by the candidates, as we will be nappin' in the dirt.

As for McCain - I told you I don't believe in any poll's accuracy and I've explained why. There are many reasons why I feel McCain will prevail on election day and I've also explained that reasoning, as well. If Obama would prevail, though I would never wish any harm on him, I could NEVER accept him as the leader of the country that I love so much. He goes against almost everything I believe and have always believed in.
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