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Old 10-09-2008, 10:30 AM   #1
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Default Serious Questions for the Guys on the left...

OK, I’m taking a different approach here…I have some serious reservations about Obama as President, and I’m hoping for some honest, well thought out, and intelligent responses to assuage some of my fears. PLEASE don’t send this spiralling into yet another partisan debate thread or just spout off speculative nonsense, as I’m seeking true insight into these problems I have with him as President. Make me understand where and why I'm wrong. And I'm equally not looking for crap from the right like "He's a muslim sleeper" or any of that ridiculous "bigfoot stole my baby" type garbage either. No conspiracy theories, nobody extrapolating or taking wild guesses, just the facts, ma'am!

I promise to keep this civil and above-board. I’m ignoring anything reactionary or clearly flame baiting.

These are serious issues I’d like addressed as a moderate centrist Republican. If you don’t like the way I ask the question, or think I’m being biased, that’s fine, just try and answer the questions anyway in a civil manner.

A) Military- It’s no secret that the military will be cut under Obama. He may withdrawal from Iraq. Tell me why this is a good thing in such a turbulent time in our country?


B) Taxes. By rolling back Bush’s tax cuts (which DOES equate to a tax increase) which will affect small business and big business, explain to me how this will HELP keep corporations from increased outsourcing and simply moving to countries where labor and taxes are cheaper, most countries ahveing SUBSTANTIALLY lower corporate tax rates? Why would I stay in a country that has 40% higher labor costs and 20% higher tax rates? Why would Obama think that raisuing my taxes even HIGHER if I outsource to offset his already increased taxes would keep me from moving to another country altogether?

C) Green Mandates? How are we going to pay for all these new environmental mandates that will inevitably be brought to the fore?


D) How will we pay for the new (Let’s face it, it’ll be much close to) socialized medical system?

E) With a Democratic House, Senate and White House, how will we keep social program spending in check? How will we stave off further deficits? Everything I’ve seen has Obama creating between 281 billion and 500 billion in NEW deficit even with his tax increases.
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Old 10-09-2008, 10:52 AM   #2
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Rev - I will get back to you in detail, although for the record IMO I am not on "the left" anymore than I pigeonhole you into being on "the right"

Serious questions merit a serious response and I do have a day job to take care of in addition to posting here

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A) All I know is his plan is not good. Tuck and run plan. With the times were in it's not the right time to neuter the defense of this country.

B) Its going to make Carter look good. The tax increases he plans on small business's will put a great deal of them out of business. (Small business's are any place that employs 500 or less) Not only is he going to let the Bush cuts expire he going to raise the business tax to something like 40%. So basically small business owners take it in rear three times by Uncle Sam. You say why three, see D.
If you all think the economy's bad now, just wait and see what happens if Obama is elected.

C) See A & B.

D) This is where small business's get smacked again. They will be required to pay to the government a certain percentage per employee to go into some super fund for health care.

E) Not gonna happen. With Obama's plan he say's he's cutting tax's for 95% of the people? Yet he wants to expand government and pay for all these nifty little plans of his. Its kinda like an oxymoron, cut tax's and increase spending. He's got a lot of people fooled into believing it too.

Although I don't think either party would be able to keep spending in check.
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Edit: For you guys further left than me...because Obama is significantly more liberal than me on almost every fiscal plank of his platform.
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Old 10-09-2008, 11:33 AM   #5
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A) All I know is his plan is not good. Tuck and run plan. With the times were in it's not the right time to neuter the defense of this country.

B) Its going to make Carter look good. The tax increases he plans on small business's will put a great deal of them out of business. (Small business's are any place that employs 500 or less) Not only is he going to let the Bush cuts expire he going to raise the business tax to something like 40%. So basically small business owners take it in rear three times by Uncle Sam. You say why three, see D.
If you all think the economy's bad now, just wait and see what happens if Obama is elected.

C) See A & B.

D) This is where small business's get smacked again. They will be required to pay to the government a certain percentage per employee to go into some super fund for health care.

E) Not gonna happen. With Obama's plan he say's he's cutting tax's for 95% of the people? Yet he wants to expand government and pay for all these nifty little plans of his. Its kinda like an oxymoron, cut tax's and increase spending. He's got a lot of people fooled into believing it too.

Although I don't think either party would be able to keep spending in check.

But you aren't on the "left". I think he asked for reasons WHY, not reasons WHY NOT.

Rev, it's a beautiful day, and I'm off, and I'm going to drive around and take pictures. But I will take some time later and answer your questions as best I can. Realize that the Dem candidate doesn't have a crystal ball either. Are his guesses going to be better than McCain's?
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But you aren't on the "left". I think he asked for reasons WHY, not reasons WHY NOT.

Rev, it's a beautiful day, and I'm off, and I'm going to drive around and take pictures. But I will take some time later and answer your questions as best I can. Realize that the Dem candidate doesn't have a crystal ball either. Are his guesses going to be better than McCain's?
Guesses? These are planks in the platform, fundamental philosophical differnces in policy from Republican to Democrat. I specifically ignored the usual hotbed isues like abortion and things of that vein to concentrate on these few issues where the differences are clear cut.

The fact that Obama is "guessing" scares me...and they are guesses, because he simply lacks any record to fall back on.

I'm not voting for him. Period. But I'm afraid he might win and I want someone to set my mind at ease about that.
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Back up your questions. Tell me your exact understanding of military cuts under Obama. Then we can discuss it. But you seem to be just repeating the rightwing meme
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Defense platform:

Barack Obama and Joe Biden's Plan. Tell me where you have a problem

Invest in a 21st Century Military

Rebuild the Military for 21st Century Tasks:

As we rebuild our armed forces, we must not simply recreate the military of the Cold War era. Obama and Biden believe that we must build up our special operations forces, civil affairs, information operations, and other units and capabilities that remain in chronic short supply; invest in foreign language training, cultural awareness, and human intelligence and other needed counterinsurgency and stabilization skill sets; and create a more robust capacity to train, equip, and advise foreign security forces, so that local allies are better prepared to confront mutual threats.

Expand to Meet Military Needs on the Ground:

Barack Obama and Joe Biden support plans to increase the size of the Army by 65,000 soldiers and the Marines by 27,000 troops. Increasing our end strength will help units retrain and re-equip properly between deployments and decrease the strain on military families.

Leadership from the Top:

Barack Obama and Joe Biden will restore the ethic of public service to the agenda of today's youth, whether it be serving their local communities in such roles as teachers or first responders, or serving in the military to keep our nation free and safe.

Lighten the Burdens on Our Brave Troops and Their Families:

An Obama-Biden administration will create a Military Families Advisory Board to provide a conduit for military families' concerns to be brought to the attention of senior policymakers and the public. Obama and Biden will end the Bush administration's stop-loss policy and establish predictability in deployments so that active duty and reserves know what they can and must expect.

Build Defense Capabilities for the 21st Century

Fully Equip Our Troops for the Missions They Face:

Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe we must get vitally needed equipment to our soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines before lives are lost. We cannot repeat such failures as the delays in deployment of armored vehicles, body armor and Unmanned Aerial Vehicles that save lives on the frontlines.

Review Weapons Programs:

We must rebalance our capabilities to ensure that our forces have the agility and lethality to succeed in both conventional wars and in stabilization and counter-insurgency operations. Obama and Biden have committed to a review of each major defense program in light of current needs, gaps in the field, and likely future threat scenarios in the post-9/11 world.

Preserve Global Reach in the Air:

We must preserve our unparalleled airpower capabilities to deter and defeat any conventional competitors, swiftly respond to crises across the globe, and support our ground forces. We need greater investment in advanced technology ranging from the revolutionary, like Unmanned Aerial Vehicles and electronic warfare capabilities, to essential systems like the C-17 cargo and KC-X air refueling aircraft, which provide the backbone of our ability to extend global power.

Maintain Power Projection at Sea:

We must recapitalize our naval forces, replacing aging ships and modernizing existing platforms, while adapting them to the 21st century. Obama and Biden will add to the Maritime Pre-Positioning Force Squadrons to support operations ashore and invest in smaller, more capable ships, providing the agility to operate close to shore and the reach to rapidly deploy Marines to global crises.

National Missile Defense:

An Obama-Biden administration will support missile defense, but ensure that it is developed in a way that is pragmatic and cost-effective; and, most importantly, does not divert resources from other national security priorities until we are positive the technology will protect the American public.

Ensure Freedom of Space:

An Obama-Biden administration will restore American leadership on space issues, seeking a worldwide ban on weapons that interfere with military and commercial satellites. He will thoroughly assess possible threats to U.S. space assets and the best options, military and diplomatic, for countering them, establishing contingency plans to ensure that U.S. forces can maintain or duplicate access to information from space assets and accelerating programs to harden U.S. satellites against attack.

Protect the U.S in Cyberspace:

An Obama-Biden administration will work in cooperation with our allies and the private sector to identify and protect against emerging cyber-threats.

Restore the Readiness of the National Guard and Reserves

Barack Obama and Joe Biden will provide the National Guard with the equipment it needs for foreign and domestic emergencies and time to restore and refit before deploying. They will make the head of the National Guard a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to ensure concerns of our citizen soldiers reach the level they mandate. They will ensure that reservists and Guard members are treated fairly when it comes to employment, health, and education benefits.

Develop Whole of Government Initiatives to Promote Global Stability
Integrate Military and Civilian Efforts:

An Obama-Biden administration will build up the capacity of each non-Pentagon agency to deploy personnel and area experts where they are needed, to help move soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines out of civilian roles.

Create a Civilian Assistance Corps (CAC):

An Obama-Biden administration will set a goal of creating a national CAC of 25,000 personnel. This corps of civilian volunteers with special skill, sets (doctors, lawyers, engineers, city planners, agriculture specialists, police, etc.) would be organized to provide each federal agency with a pool of volunteer experts willing to deploy in times of need at home and abroad.


Restore Our Alliances

Engage Our Allies in Meeting Our Common Security Challenges:

America's traditional alliances, such as NATO, must be transformed and strengthened, including on common security concerns like Afghanistan, homeland security, and counterterrorism. Obama and Biden will renew alliances and ensure our allies contribute their fair share to our mutual security.

Organize to Help Our Partners and Allies in Need:

An Obama-Biden administration will expand humanitarian activities that build friends and allies at the regional and local level (such as during the response to the tsunami in South and Southeast Asia), and win hearts and minds in the process.


Reform Contracting


Create Transparency for Military Contractors:

Barack Obama and Joe Biden will require the Pentagon and State Department to develop a strategy for determining when contracting makes sense, rather than continually handing off governmental jobs to well-connected companies. An Obama-Biden administration will create the transparency and accountability needed for good governance. Finally, it will establish the legal status of contractor personnel, making possible prosecution of any abuses committed by private military contractors.


Restore Honesty, Openness, and Commonsense to Contracting and Procurement:

An Obama-Biden administration will realize savings by reducing the corruption and cost overruns that have become all too routine in defense contracting. This includes launching a program of acquisition reform and management, which would end the common practice of no-bid contracting.Obama and Biden will end the abuse of supplemental budgets by creating a system of oversight for war funds as stringent as in the regular budget. Obama and Biden will restore the government's ability to manage contracts by rebuilding our contract officer corps. They will order the Justice Department to prioritize prosecutions that will punish and deter fraud, waste and abuse.
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Back up your questions. Tell me your exact understanding of military cuts under Obama. Then we can discuss it. But you seem to be just repeating the rightwing meme
This is the first post I'm ignoring. Again, I'm looking for answers to my questions.

Wait, wait...I see you DID post something of worth. So Obama is EXPANDING our military? How then, will he pay for this?

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An Obama-Biden administration will realize savings by reducing the corruption and cost overruns that have become all too routine in defense contracting. This includes launching a program of acquisition reform and management, which would end the common practice of no-bid contracting.Obama and Biden will end the abuse of supplemental budgets by creating a system of oversight for war funds as stringent as in the regular budget. Obama and Biden will restore the government's ability to manage contracts by rebuilding our contract officer corps. They will order the Justice Department to prioritize prosecutions that will punish and deter fraud, waste and abuse.
Alone won't do it. You can't add a bunch of government programs, increase the size of the military, and expect to pay for it JUST by changing the way we buy things.
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This is the first post I'm ignoring. Again, I'm looking for answers to my questions.
Your questions are loaded. Why does McCain hate Jews? I'm looking for the reason he does and will ignore all posts not giving a reason.

That's what you are doing. You don't want honest debate if you aren't honest in what you ask.

But ignore this too - It's telling.
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