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Old 10-09-2008, 10:59 AM   #11
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Your questions are loaded. Why does McCain hate Jews? I'm looking for the reason he does and will ignore all posts not giving a reason.

That's what you are doing. You don't want honest debate if you aren't honest in what you ask.

But ignore this too - It's telling.
You are posting stuff right from their website, which is a bunch of campaign BS, and NOT what I want. But it's better than nothing. And, no, my questions are not loaded: They are serious questions that many people in the GOP would like to have answered, and, believe me, many would not be so civil.

Your completely biased and blinded approach is SO vastly different from mine it's hard for me to remain civil. I don't want regurgitation. I don't want party line-toeing. I don't want somebody who buys campaign rhetoric hook-line-and-sinker. I want synthetic knowledge. I want analysis. NOT repeating what others have said. THAT'S telling...and your inability to bring anything new to the table is why you aren't going to be helpful to me or any other Republican asking these kinds of questions.
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Old 10-09-2008, 11:03 AM   #12
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This is the first post I'm ignoring. Again, I'm looking for answers to my questions.

Wait, wait...I see you DID post something of worth. So Obama is EXPANDING our military? How then, will he pay for this?

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An Obama-Biden administration will realize savings by reducing the corruption and cost overruns that have become all too routine in defense contracting. This includes launching a program of acquisition reform and management, which would end the common practice of no-bid contracting.Obama and Biden will end the abuse of supplemental budgets by creating a system of oversight for war funds as stringent as in the regular budget. Obama and Biden will restore the government's ability to manage contracts by rebuilding our contract officer corps. They will order the Justice Department to prioritize prosecutions that will punish and deter fraud, waste and abuse.
Alone won't do it. You can't add a bunch of government programs, increase the size of the military, and expect to pay for it JUST by changing the way we buy things.

So does this mean you were just educated? I'm interested in hearing on what basis you asked your original question on cutting the military. All of your questions are similarly based on misconceptions. Debate isn't want you want. You're looking to score points. Don't pretend you want answers.
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You are posting stuff right from their website, which is a bunch of campaign BS, and NOT what I want. But it's better than nothing. And, no, my questions are not loaded: They are serious questions that many people in the GOP would like to have answered, and, believe me, many would not be so civil.

Your completely biased and blinded approach is SO vastly different from mine it's hard for me to remain civil. I don't want regurgitation. I don't want party line-toeing. I don't want somebody who buys campaign rhetoric hook-line-and-sinker. I want synthetic knowledge. I want analysis. NOT repeating what others have said. THAT'S telling...and your inability to bring anything new to the table is why you aren't going to be helpful to me or any other Republican asking these kinds of questions.
If you can't tell me where you got the BS about cutting the military what can I do? If you republicans want answers to questions based on assumption you pulled out of your collective ass you're out of luck. We won't play.

If you want an explanation of actual Obama positions let me know.
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Old 10-09-2008, 11:14 AM   #14
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I'm tired of playing defense with you guys.
Why don't you tell me what the _____ is so special about McCain so I feel better when the GOP steals the election again?
Tell me how McCain is going to pay for the next 100 years of this war?
Tell me how he's going to fix this economy?
Has he given you some secret answers that I have heard yet?
Tell me Palin's plan on - everything - when she inherits the Presidency from John McStroke in a year or two.
Tell me why I shouldn't be considerably nervous about that scenario?

Or don't. But I've been playing defense longer than the Eagles game 2 weeks ago, so I'll pass, thanks.
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I'll tell you exactly why. Because I think Obama is going to win. I didn't, but I do now. I see this kind of rhetoric from you guys, and it's not critical thinking, and if reasonably educated people are going to vote for something different, just because it's different, it's certainly no stretch to think that "Joe Six Pack" who can't think critically (as opposed to those who WON'T approach this critically) is going to be any different.

Hung up on the military? My assertion is based on this:

Clinton cut it
Carter cut it
Obama voted to cut it repeatedly

Now he's saying he isn't going to cut it? The TRACK RECORD shows differently.

OK, let's take his campaign promise at face value, that's he's going to increase the military AND cut costs by doing so (which will make his the first executive to ever do so).

Let's throw that one out then. Care to address the tax issue?
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Defense platform:

Barack Obama and Joe Biden's Plan. Tell me where you have a problem

Invest in a 21st Century Military

Rebuild the Military for 21st Century Tasks:

As we rebuild our armed forces, we must not simply recreate the military of the Cold War era. Obama and Biden believe that we must build up our special operations forces, civil affairs, information operations, and other units and capabilities that remain in chronic short supply; invest in foreign language training, cultural awareness, and human intelligence and other needed counterinsurgency and stabilization skill sets; and create a more robust capacity to train, equip, and advise foreign security forces, so that local allies are better prepared to confront mutual threats.

Expand to Meet Military Needs on the Ground:

Barack Obama and Joe Biden support plans to increase the size of the Army by 65,000 soldiers and the Marines by 27,000 troops. Increasing our end strength will help units retrain and re-equip properly between deployments and decrease the strain on military families.

Leadership from the Top:

Barack Obama and Joe Biden will restore the ethic of public service to the agenda of today's youth, whether it be serving their local communities in such roles as teachers or first responders, or serving in the military to keep our nation free and safe.

Lighten the Burdens on Our Brave Troops and Their Families:

An Obama-Biden administration will create a Military Families Advisory Board to provide a conduit for military families' concerns to be brought to the attention of senior policymakers and the public. Obama and Biden will end the Bush administration's stop-loss policy and establish predictability in deployments so that active duty and reserves know what they can and must expect.

Build Defense Capabilities for the 21st Century

Fully Equip Our Troops for the Missions They Face:

Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe we must get vitally needed equipment to our soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines before lives are lost. We cannot repeat such failures as the delays in deployment of armored vehicles, body armor and Unmanned Aerial Vehicles that save lives on the frontlines.

Review Weapons Programs:

We must rebalance our capabilities to ensure that our forces have the agility and lethality to succeed in both conventional wars and in stabilization and counter-insurgency operations. Obama and Biden have committed to a review of each major defense program in light of current needs, gaps in the field, and likely future threat scenarios in the post-9/11 world.

Preserve Global Reach in the Air:

We must preserve our unparalleled airpower capabilities to deter and defeat any conventional competitors, swiftly respond to crises across the globe, and support our ground forces. We need greater investment in advanced technology ranging from the revolutionary, like Unmanned Aerial Vehicles and electronic warfare capabilities, to essential systems like the C-17 cargo and KC-X air refueling aircraft, which provide the backbone of our ability to extend global power.

Maintain Power Projection at Sea:

We must recapitalize our naval forces, replacing aging ships and modernizing existing platforms, while adapting them to the 21st century. Obama and Biden will add to the Maritime Pre-Positioning Force Squadrons to support operations ashore and invest in smaller, more capable ships, providing the agility to operate close to shore and the reach to rapidly deploy Marines to global crises.

National Missile Defense:

An Obama-Biden administration will support missile defense, but ensure that it is developed in a way that is pragmatic and cost-effective; and, most importantly, does not divert resources from other national security priorities until we are positive the technology will protect the American public.

Ensure Freedom of Space:

An Obama-Biden administration will restore American leadership on space issues, seeking a worldwide ban on weapons that interfere with military and commercial satellites. He will thoroughly assess possible threats to U.S. space assets and the best options, military and diplomatic, for countering them, establishing contingency plans to ensure that U.S. forces can maintain or duplicate access to information from space assets and accelerating programs to harden U.S. satellites against attack.

Protect the U.S in Cyberspace:

An Obama-Biden administration will work in cooperation with our allies and the private sector to identify and protect against emerging cyber-threats.

Restore the Readiness of the National Guard and Reserves

Barack Obama and Joe Biden will provide the National Guard with the equipment it needs for foreign and domestic emergencies and time to restore and refit before deploying. They will make the head of the National Guard a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to ensure concerns of our citizen soldiers reach the level they mandate. They will ensure that reservists and Guard members are treated fairly when it comes to employment, health, and education benefits.

Develop Whole of Government Initiatives to Promote Global Stability
Integrate Military and Civilian Efforts:

An Obama-Biden administration will build up the capacity of each non-Pentagon agency to deploy personnel and area experts where they are needed, to help move soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines out of civilian roles.

Create a Civilian Assistance Corps (CAC):

An Obama-Biden administration will set a goal of creating a national CAC of 25,000 personnel. This corps of civilian volunteers with special skill, sets (doctors, lawyers, engineers, city planners, agriculture specialists, police, etc.) would be organized to provide each federal agency with a pool of volunteer experts willing to deploy in times of need at home and abroad.


Restore Our Alliances

Engage Our Allies in Meeting Our Common Security Challenges:

America's traditional alliances, such as NATO, must be transformed and strengthened, including on common security concerns like Afghanistan, homeland security, and counterterrorism. Obama and Biden will renew alliances and ensure our allies contribute their fair share to our mutual security.

Organize to Help Our Partners and Allies in Need:

An Obama-Biden administration will expand humanitarian activities that build friends and allies at the regional and local level (such as during the response to the tsunami in South and Southeast Asia), and win hearts and minds in the process.


Reform Contracting


Create Transparency for Military Contractors:

Barack Obama and Joe Biden will require the Pentagon and State Department to develop a strategy for determining when contracting makes sense, rather than continually handing off governmental jobs to well-connected companies. An Obama-Biden administration will create the transparency and accountability needed for good governance. Finally, it will establish the legal status of contractor personnel, making possible prosecution of any abuses committed by private military contractors.


Restore Honesty, Openness, and Commonsense to Contracting and Procurement:

An Obama-Biden administration will realize savings by reducing the corruption and cost overruns that have become all too routine in defense contracting. This includes launching a program of acquisition reform and management, which would end the common practice of no-bid contracting.Obama and Biden will end the abuse of supplemental budgets by creating a system of oversight for war funds as stringent as in the regular budget. Obama and Biden will restore the government's ability to manage contracts by rebuilding our contract officer corps. They will order the Justice Department to prioritize prosecutions that will punish and deter fraud, waste and abuse.
Unless I missed it in your post, and that's possible, from what I heard the other day in the debate, Obama plans on making the US Army a group of construction workers. To help rebuild areas that have been war ravished for years, not there as peace keepers or peace makers but from what I gathered, there as engineers and rebuilders of nations without the use of firearms. Forgive me for my blindness but please tell me how eliminating one branch of the US Military to become (in layman's terms) a group of construction workers around the world is a benefit for the United States and it's defense?
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Unless I missed it in your post, and that's possible, from what I heard the other day in the debate, Obama plans on making the US Army a group of construction workers. To help rebuild areas that have been war ravished for years, not there as peace keepers or peace makers but from what I gathered, there as engineers and rebuilders of nations without the use of firearms. Forgive me for my blindness but please tell me how eliminating one branch of the US Military to become (in layman's terms) a group of construction workers around the world is a benefit for the United States and it's defense?
I don't get that from Obama's statements. Do you have the quote?
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I'll tell you exactly why. Because I think Obama is going to win. I didn't, but I do now. I see this kind of rhetoric from you guys, and it's not critical thinking, and if reasonably educated people are going to vote for something different, just because it's different, it's certainly no stretch to think that "Joe Six Pack" who can't think critically (as opposed to those who WON'T approach this critically) is going to be any different.

Hung up on the military? My assertion is based on this:

Clinton cut it
Carter cut it
Obama voted to cut it repeatedly

Now he's saying he isn't going to cut it? The TRACK RECORD shows differently.

OK, let's take his campaign promise at face value, that's he's going to increase the military AND cut costs by doing so (which will make his the first executive to ever do so).

Let's throw that one out then. Care to address the tax issue?

I'm not voting for Obama because he's different, I'm voting for him so the Bill of Rights survives. I'm in it for the Supreme Court. And because "elite" isn't a bad word. We want elite forces in the military but not elite people in our government? I don't want Joe-sixpack in control. I want someone smarter than Putin. We don't have that now. We won't have that with McCain or Palin.
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I'm not voting for Obama because he's different, I'm voting for him so the Bill of Rights survives. I'm in it for the Supreme Court. And because "elite" isn't a bad word. We want elite forces in the military but not elite people in our government? I don't want Joe-sixpack in control. I want someone smarter than Putin. We don't have that now. We won't have that with McCain or Palin.
And you think Obama's smarter than Putin? Whats Obama going to do, talk his ears off then run home to mommy?
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And I think you guys are missing my point. I'm ADMITTING I'm partisan. I'm approaching this from the standpoint of "Tell me something I don't know or am not seeing". Don't quote campaign promises, because I guarantee you the more promises made, the fewer will be actually fufilled.

I want my mind set at ease. I want someone to explain the changes in policy Obama has made over the last few months. I want someone from the other side of the aisle to make me feel okay about the Democrats controlling both the legislative and executive. I'm not asking for defense (but I am asking for you to stop attacking as I've already said I don't think McCain will win). Presuming Obama wins, McCain becomes irrelevant anyway.

Why should I not be worried about tax and spend Democrats? It's MY perception and probably almost every single Republicans perception that we will have at least 4 years of rampant taxing and spending. Should we not fear that? Why? Based on what?

Don't sound like a radio commercial. I don't want high-minded ideals or Utopian ideas...they aren't realistic. I want sound and real grounded reasons why I should feel okay about Obama being in charge of this Country with Reid and Pelosi in his court....
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