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Old 10-09-2008, 11:54 AM   #21
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And you think Obama's smarter than Putin? Whats Obama going to do, talk his ears off then run home to mommy?

Obama is brilliant. You just don't like what he has to say. I can admit that Cheney and Gingrich are brilliant while still saying they are scary mfers
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Old 10-09-2008, 12:14 PM   #22
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I'm not voting for Obama because he's different, I'm voting for him so the Bill of Rights survives. I'm in it for the Supreme Court. And because "elite" isn't a bad word. We want elite forces in the military but not elite people in our government? I don't want Joe-sixpack in control. I want someone smarter than Putin. We don't have that now. We won't have that with McCain or Palin.
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Obama is brilliant. You just don't like what he has to say. I can admit that Cheney and Gingrich are brilliant while still saying they are scary mfers
He only says what people want to here. It doesn't make him much different than any other politicians in that fact. But he flops around like a fish on every issue and he can't have it both ways with big gov.,big spending policy and supposedly cutting tax's, which isn't really a tax cut. Its more of a rebate.

I also agree with Suit that he's probably going to win.
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He only says what people want to here. It doesn't make him much different than any other politicians in that fact. But he flops around like a fish on every issue and he can't have it both ways with big gov.,big spending policy and supposedly cutting tax's, which isn't really a tax cut. Its more of a rebate.

I also agree with Suit that he's probably going to win.
Suit? Hmmmmm.
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PLEASE donít send this spiralling into yet another partisan debate thread or just spout off speculative nonsense
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Suit, this is a great idea....

as is the thread on the one for those on the right.

Let's play partisan slash and burn politics on the other threads... but keep these to good, strong discussions...

Mosca... Atl Dan...

I look forward to reading both your responses. I have reason to expect, from previous threads, that when we get into good, critical thinking threads, you both (and some others) bring an excellent line of thought...
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I don't get that from Obama's statements. Do you have the quote?
I must have misunderstood him. I looked through the transcripts of the last debate and there was no wording as to what I referred to in my original post. If I hear it in the next debate then I'll make sure to reference the question so I can do a better job of finding it in the future.

Not sure how I heard what I heard but it wasn't in the transcripts so I'll have to apologize for my original post.
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I've been thinking about the military thing again, and I've changed me mind. I do want an answer.

How is Obama going to bolster and add to the military AND reduce spending again? JUST by changing the procurement procedure? It's a big deal because it seems to me we need to keep our military pretty strong right now, and it also seems a little disingenuous to say that we can do say AND save money at the same time...a little bit like promising what everyone wants to hear.
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I've been thinking about the military thing again, and I've changed me mind. I do want an answer.

How is Obama going to bolster and add to the military AND reduce spending again? JUST by changing the procurement procedure? It's a big deal because it seems to me we need to keep our military pretty strong right now, and it also seems a little disingenuous to say that we can do say AND save money at the same time...a little bit like promising what everyone wants to hear.
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I'm not voting for Obama because he's different, I'm voting for him so the Bill of Rights survives. I'm in it for the Supreme Court. And because "elite" isn't a bad word. We want elite forces in the military but not elite people in our government? I don't want Joe-sixpack in control. I want someone smarter than Putin. We don't have that now. We won't have that with McCain or Palin.
BRAKES!!!!

Woah there fella...I may be just some dumb redneck from Arkansas, but I think I have a firm grasp of the bill of rights...
1st Article:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Obama stifles Free Speech, time and time again:
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/war...iversity-rally

http://governor.mo.gov/cgi-bin/coran...&tmpl=newsitem

http://www.americandaily.com/article/23336

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/conten...x?RsrcID=34897

2nd Article:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Obama is against guns, its well documented:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g...sv5ygD93MKL501

SO there you have it.

The First TWO Articles of the Bill of Rights. and He fights against both.

Heads up. The 2nd one was put in place to safegaurd the first. If you take away people's guns, you can take away their right to free speech.
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