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Old 10-12-2008, 01:21 AM   #1
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Default Non-Partisan political question... yes it can happen.

Please... Read this article concerning how we vote... then give me your opinion.


Personally, even though I am in California, and my converative vote almost NEVER matters, I am completely opposed to this stand.

What do you all think?

And let's keep Obama, McCain, Bush, and Gore out of this.

In other words, what do think about the electoral system METHODOLOGY?

http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/20...s-think-again/
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Old 10-12-2008, 01:35 AM   #2
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Default Re: Non-Partisan political question... yes it can happen.

I agree, you live in California and because of the way your state leans your vote will not count. I live in Ohio and it's alittle different here. This has to be one of the cons that comes with living in a lopsided state. Sorry.

Oh yea, I personally don't think the electoral college is going anywhere soon. Just have to live with it. Me I like the the way we do it and to change it it would take a hell of alot.
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Old 10-12-2008, 01:43 AM   #3
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Default Re: Non-Partisan political question... yes it can happen.

I actually want to keep the electoral college... AND the winner take all idea.

I LIKE the fact that we vote for president by STATE, not by individual. It reminds me that we are NOT a democracy, but a Republic of states that join together to accomplish certain things.
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Default Re: Non-Partisan political question... yes it can happen.

One big problem with the Electoral College is you get states like Florida that are grossly incompetent, but they can decide who the most powerful person in the world is.

I also don't like having my vote not count--in my case I'm running up the score in Mississippi for J-Mac but I wish it had more meaning.
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Old 10-12-2008, 04:48 PM   #5
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Default Re: Non-Partisan political question... yes it can happen.

Personally I dont think a candidate thats wins a state by 51% deserves all of the votes from it. I would like to see at least some votes go to the other candidate in a close state.
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Default Re: Non-Partisan political question... yes it can happen.

I would rather have a national popular vote, but since it would take an amendment to the constitution to make the necessary changes for it to happen, I don't see it happening anytime too soon. I don't like the idea of some states being "more important" than others.
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I would rather have a national popular vote, but since it would take an amendment to the constitution to make the necessary changes for it to happen, I don't see it happening anytime too soon. I don't like the idea of some states being "more important" than others.
I don't see it as more important.... i see it as recognizing two things...

1. The states with a much larger population SHOULD get a little more say (notice I say that even when most of those states go democrat and I am a conservative), but it also puts the small states in a very important position. My fear is that by going to a national vote, candidates can Just hit the I 5 corridor plus the bay area of California, texas, florida, and the East coast. This way they at least have to pay SOME attention to the middle.

2. it recognizes that the primary govt. entities in this nation is NOT the fed. govt, but the state govt.

Of course, this is all my opinion.
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I would rather have a national popular vote, but since it would take an amendment to the constitution to make the necessary changes for it to happen, I don't see it happening anytime too soon. I don't like the idea of some states being "more important" than others.
Problem is, you would still have that situation if you went to a popular vote system. The big states with big populations would still mean more than the little states with small populations, which means the Presidency would be decided by just a handful of states, even fewer states than now. California, Texas, New York, Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Illinois would pretty much decide the Presidency, and the other states would be almost an afterthought. The Electoral College system isn't perfect, but I'd rather stick with it.
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My fear is that by going to a national vote, candidates can Just hit the I 5 corridor plus the bay area of California, texas, florida, and the East coast. This way they at least have to pay SOME attention to the middle.
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Problem is, you would still have that situation if you went to a popular vote system. The big states with big populations would still mean more than the little states with small populations, which means the Presidency would be decided by just a handful of states, even fewer states than now. California, Texas, New York, Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Illinois would pretty much decide the Presidency, and the other states would be almost an afterthought.
Good points - never really thought of it that way....
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Problem is, you would still have that situation if you went to a popular vote system. The big states with big populations would still mean more than the little states with small populations, which means the Presidency would be decided by just a handful of states, even fewer states than now. California, Texas, New York, Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Illinois would pretty much decide the Presidency, and the other states would be almost an afterthought. The Electoral College system isn't perfect, but I'd rather stick with it.
Not so, winning California by 60% still leaves a large number of votes that go to conservatives. Winning those big states big is the only way that you could pull that off...and states like Ohio (though large) are still relatively close in the deciding votes.

I have never liked the Electoral College and never will. If I remember right, there have been several presidents who lost the election even though they had a larger number of votes nationally.

A republic of states is great and all, but the President is not about states...but the head of the nation as an entity...and the electoral college takes away from that IMO.

Why should a small handful of states determine who leads our country?
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