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Old 10-12-2008, 06:44 PM   #21
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I gotta admit, that is a VERY fair question.

I know I am going to vote, but feel it is a waste of my time. I am only voting because it IS my civic duty.
I also live in CA, and I get very frustrated when I go to the polls. I have a wife and 5 year old daughter and vote against the minor able to have abortion with no parental consent proposition, yet 18 year old kids or people who don't even have a daughter can vote the other way and my vote means squat. On the other side of it, thats why I would vote pro choice if given opportunity even though I don't agree with abortion. I am a male and don't carry a child so why would I tell a woman what to do.
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Old 10-12-2008, 06:47 PM   #22
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I gotta admit. Part of the reason I don't want it to change is the antiquity and rarity of such a system.

For some reason, it just seems to be very Americaneusqe.
LOL I was thinking hypocritcal to the American way...which many foreigners feel ties in nicely with their views of this great nation.

IDK

It really does come down to viewpoint...and while the electoral college has gotten it right all but two times...I'm still not sold.

As for voter fraud...my guess is that it we would see it happen more only because it would be looked at more closely. Each state would still tasked with running it's own state votes.
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LOL I was thinking hypocritcal to the American way...which many foreigners feel ties in nicely with their views of this great nation.

IDK

It really does come down to viewpoint...and while the electoral college has gotten it right all but two times...I'm still not sold.

As for voter fraud...my guess is that it we would see it happen more only because it would be looked at more closely. Each state would still tasked with running it's own state votes.

See, that is where I would disagree. I think the electoral college got it right pretty much every time.

By balancing the individual and the state in the votes, it doesn't allow for power to be centralized in any one location... state or locality. I would only agree with you if the electoral college broke rank and voted against their states' wishes, which they ARE allowed to do in about half the states.

State laws disallow it in the rest (it has happened a couple times).
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See, that is where I would disagree. I think the electoral college got it right pretty much every time.

By balancing the individual and the state in the votes, it doesn't allow for power to be centralized in any one location... state or locality. I would only agree with you if the electoral college broke rank and voted against their states' wishes, which they ARE allowed to do in about half the states.

State laws disallow it in the rest (it has happened a couple times).
As of 2006
36.5 M people live in California.
299.4M people live in the US.

That's about 12%

55 Electoral Votes for California
538 total Electoral Voters

10.2%

The two systems tie in fairly closely. The difference is, if 53% of the votes are democratic, the electoral college give the president 10% of the total vote regardless.
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As of 2006
36.5 M people live in California.
299.4M people live in the US.

That's about 12%

55 Electoral Votes for California
538 total Electoral Voters

10.2%

The two systems tie in fairly closely. The difference is, if 53% of the votes are democratic, the electoral college give the president 10% of the total vote regardless.
Yep...

which means that the state as a whole is represented by just 2 percent under thier population. And that is the issue I think. it is about state representation, instead of personal.

And thus, the disagreement. Though your question about people not voting has me thinking.
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And thus, the disagreement. Though your question about people not voting has me thinking.
You'd see a greater number of voters at the polls if they felt their votes counted...which would likely sway some of the great disparity we have in states like California.

The issue I have is with the logic involved to argue keeping the system. Regardless of whether we go to a population vote or electoral college vote, there are still going to be key states that politicians look at. California will get looked at harder by republicans, because then the state will actually matter to them.

The difference is that the people truly make a difference outside of the electoral college IMO.
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You'd see a greater number of voters at the polls if they felt their votes counted...which would likely sway some of the great disparity we have in states like California.

The issue I have is with the logic involved to argue keeping the system. Regardless of whether we go to a population vote or electoral college vote, there are still going to be key states that politicians look at. California will get looked at harder by republicans, because then the state will actually matter to them.

The difference is that the people truly make a difference outside of the electoral college IMO.

The middle ground to this question is splitting the votes of the college. THe good part of that all votes in all states will represent at least some.

The bad part... is that a state like California, a persons vote would rate (making up numbers) .90 of a vote while a vote from say, Wyoming may rep. 1.2 percent of a vote.
(12 percent of people, 10 percent of college, vs. (again, making up numbers) 2 percent of people, 5 percent of college).

However, that may be a good middle ground nonetheless.
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I could go with a split of the Electoral College, because it would be more closely linked with what the population actually wants...as well as the place value on the state as a separate entity.
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I could go with a split of the Electoral College, because it would be more closely linked with what the population actually wants...as well as the place value on the state as a separate entity.

So what other national issues can we solve today?
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So what other national issues can we solve today?
Get rid of political parties all together. They cause far more problems than they solve...and there are very few people who don't have some issues that line up with the other parties way of thinking.

Get rid of the parties...and then we can literally have the candidates talk about the issues, instead of talking about their parties flawed views.
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