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Old 04-19-2009, 06:13 PM   #71
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Let's all face it, we're really not all that different. Seriously, go read the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kamph, most people on here pale in comparison to those extremes.

I's was born American, and that'll never change. Different outlooks, but think its safe to say, we all just want we see as the best for the nation.
Public school has done its job well. Conventional wisdom holds that marxists are commies and the nazis were right wing extremists. Both are socialist. Both are the antipathy of the foundation of this country, and everything we stand for.

Sloganeering, happy talk and Kool-Aid are all really fun stuff. But snap the @#$% out of it people. You're about to lose your liberty.
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Old 04-19-2009, 07:13 PM   #72
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Public school has done its job well. Conventional wisdom holds that marxists are commies and the nazis were right wing extremists. Both are socialist. Both are the antipathy of the foundation of this country, and everything we stand for.

Sloganeering, happy talk and Kool-Aid are all really fun stuff. But snap the @#$% out of it people. You're about to lose your liberty.
Amen, brother. Well said.
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Public school has done its job well. Conventional wisdom holds that marxists are commies and the nazis were right wing extremists. Both are socialist. Both are the antipathy of the foundation of this country, and everything we stand for.

Sloganeering, happy talk and Kool-Aid are all really fun stuff. But snap the @#$% out of it people. You're about to lose your liberty.

Well put Vincent, well put!
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Look friend, you can say what you want about anyone or anything else but you leave those 53 men wearing black and gold alone
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Public school has done its job well. Conventional wisdom holds that marxists are commies and the nazis were right wing extremists.

Did I say this? No. I said read the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kamph to find extremes. Don't take words out of my mouth.

Both are socialist. Both are the antipathy of the foundation of this country, and everything we stand for.

On what basis? Support your statement.
I'm probably just as well going to put you on ignore, I really don't need people putting words in my mouth and assuming my education. :) Don't worry, I'll give you credit to wait and see your response first.

Oh, and perhaps your education, public or otherwise, was lacking itself. Antipathy is the wrong word you're looking for -it is close to being right, but isn't-; the word you want is antithesis.

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Well put Vincent, well put!
Minus the fact that there are fundamental differences between Communism, Fascism, and Socialism?

Seriously, if anyone can source why these are all synonyms of one-another, I implore you to post it. Until then, I will go with the commonly accepted, and correct belief that there are differences.

In a nutshell:

Socialism: Economic theory where the means and ways, all that jazz, is owned by the citizens of the State. Walzer is a great political theororist who talks a lot about this. To quote him, "That which touches all is owned by all."

Communism: Expansion of socialism, taking it past simply economic theory into an entire socioeconomic lifestyle. Belief, press, economy, every single facet of life is meant to be standardized.

Fascism: Economic, and subsequently socioeconomic, theory that all things should be owned by the State and the point of life to to ensure the continued presence of said State.


Yes, there are differences, if you can't see them, read and think very, very, carefully.
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There are two types of people in general imo.

Those who believe people are inherently good and if generally left alone will tend to do the right thing and thus believe in freedom and self determination and that don't feel that everything needs to be completely controlled and overseen by governemnt...

and those that tend to think that free markets and capitalism and the wealth are corrupting and that the government control and wealth redistribution is somehow a fairer and better solution.

The way I look at it is that someone can try to differentiate between people that are half-assed, three quarters of an ass or complete asses, but they're still ALL asses to me.

But that's just me.
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Minus the fact that there are fundamental differences between Communism, Fascism, and Socialism?
Aside from stage of "progression", what?

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In a nutshell:

Socialism: Economic theory where the means and ways, all that jazz, is owned by the citizens of the State. (Ask a Swede what he "owns". - V)

Communism: Expansion of socialism, taking it past simply economic theory into an entire socioeconomic lifestyle. Belief, press, economy, every single facet of life is meant to be standardized.

Fascism: Economic, and subsequently socioeconomic, theory that all things should be owned by the State and the point of life to to ensure the continued presence of said State.
Yes, that conjugates the relationship very nicely. Introduce socialism into a healthy society, allow it to consolidate power, and surrender all liberty. You nailed it.

You seem to like socialism. May I ask why? I don't, and I'd be delighted to explain why.

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There are two types of people in general imo.
I think there are 3. Those that understand the relationship between freedom and responsibility, those that don't, and those that exploit the latter to subjugate both. But that's just me.
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Yes, that conjugates the relationship very nicely. Introduce socialism into a healthy society, allow it to consolidate power, and surrender all liberty. You nailed it.

You seem to like socialism. May I ask why? I don't, and I'd be delighted to explain why.
Did I ever say that I like socialism? Again, don't put words in my mouth.

You say that fascism, communism, and socialism are simply stages of progression, care to implore?
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wow.

so now if one is even learned up on socialism it means they automatically like it and are socialist?

what the hell is this board coming to?

its like a paranoid keyboard militia of extremism in here.
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