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Old 10-23-2008, 01:10 AM   #1
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Default Is Obama A Socialist?

Is Obama A Socialist?
By Henry Lamb
October 20, 2008

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Socialism, according to Karl Marx, is the transition between capitalism and communism. To achieve communism, Marx says, there must be continuing revolution in which the fundamental principal is: the end justifies the means.

For more than half a century, capitalism in the United States has taken a beating from the socialist revolution. Despite the best efforts of conservatives, since the Roosevelt era, socialists have made great strides toward converting the nation to socialism. Apparently, the majority of Americans either fail to recognize the transition, or welcome it. The enthusiastic support for Barack Obama, especially among young people, is abundant evidence.

Obama has declared that he believes every person has a "right" to health care. The Socialist Party USA believes every person has a "right" to health care.

Obama believes that labor unions should be allowed to organize without a secret ballot. The Socialist Party USA calls for unions to be recognized without a secret ballot. (Hear Obama's words here.)

The Socialist Party USA recognizes the "right" of adequate housing for everyone. Obama trained ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) workers to secure mortgages for unqualified people, in sufficient numbers to collapse the housing and home-financing industries.

The Socialist Party USA believes that "capitalism is fundamentally incompatible" with socialism. For years, Obama worked in Chicago through the Annenberg Challenge, along with Bill Ayers, to funnel more than $50 million to anti-capitalist education projects. In November, 2006, Ayers traveled to Venezuela to speak at Hugo Chavez's Education Forum where he railed against "the failings of capitalist education," and praised the "...Bolivarian Revolution and the profound reforms in education made by Hugo Chavez."

The Socialist Party USA believes in open borders and six months residency as the only requirement for U.S. citizenship. Obama marched with illegal aliens in Chicago in support of "comprehensive" immigration reform. Listen to Obama's promises to La Raza in 2007.

The Socialist Party USA calls for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. Obama says "I will end this war," with never a reference to "winning" or "victory."

The Socialist Party USA calls for the "unconditional disarmament" by the United States. Obama has promised to dramatically reduce defense spending. Listen to his words here.

The Socialist Party USA calls for a "livable guaranteed annual income." Obama trained ACORN members to conduct "Living Wage" campaigns in cities around the country.

The Socialist Party USA calls for a "steeply graduated" tax policy in order to redistribute wealth. Obama has promised to increase the tax burden on the rich in order to redistribute wealth to the poor. He revealed his philosophy when answering a question from a plumber who complained that he was being taxed for his success. Obama said: "It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success too. My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, It's gonna be good for everybody. I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

This list of comparisons could be quite long. This is sufficient to reveal an unmistakable similarity between Obama's political beliefs and the beliefs of the Socialist Party USA. The tragedy is that Obama's supporters don't care. In fact, many of his supporters are delighted that he promises to usher in a new era of socialism, and push the memory of capitalism further into history.

Socialists, who are in perpetual revolution, who believe that the end justifies the means, have worked through educational institutions, non-government organizations such as ACORN, and by electing socialists to public office, to silence teaching the virtues of free enterprise, capitalism, private property, individual responsibility, and personal achievement. For nearly two generations, students have been fed a steady diet of socialism under a variety of disguises including Outcome Based Education, No Child Left Behind, School-to-Work, and a host of other "feel good" slogans.

Students and young adults no longer know why capitalism is better than socialism. Like Obama, young people really believe that when government redistributes wealth, "it's good for everybody." They do not realize that wealth redistribution is no substitute for wealth creation. They are never taught that the only way to create wealth is for an individual to combine his energy and intellect with resources to produce a product which improves his life, or for which someone else is willing to pay.

Private property, the accumulation of personal prosperity, and individual achievement are anathema to socialism. Socialism sees the individual as nothing more than a cog in a government-run machine designed to ensure equity for all.

Capitalism seeks prosperity; socialism seeks equity. Freedom increases as prosperity increases. In a socialist system, there can be neither.
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Old 10-23-2008, 01:40 AM   #2
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I think he is.
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Old 10-23-2008, 07:52 AM   #3
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Let's be honest. When you hear Obama discuss redistributing wealth in the name of "fairness" how could you not ask that question. Fortunately for Obama, most Americans are buying into it.
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BTW, nice find Mach1.
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No. While some of his policies are socialistic, he does not advocate a system in which workers own the means of production nor does he advocate eliminating all economic disparities.
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No. While some of his policies are socialistic, he does not advocate a system in which workers own the means of production nor does he advocate eliminating all economic disparities.
As you know, there are many shades of gray. If he is not a socialist, is he a marxist? If not, how would you categorize his beliefs in bigger government, more government, higher taxes, increased wealth redistribution, demonizing capitalism and blaming the wealthy for the plight of the poor?
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.... higher taxes, increased wealth redistribution, demonizing capitalism and blaming the wealthy for the plight of the poor?
so by your definition mccains own comments would make him a socialist of marxist?

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hmmm- here it is-
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Let the redistribution and depression begin.
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He doesn't publically advocate it...but the change from Capitalism to Socialism to Communism is never done overnight nor with a lot of public hype about the end sight.

It's like boiling a frog.

Toss it in a pot with boiling water and it will try it's damndest to hop away.

Put it in a pot of cool water and slowly raise the temperature from cool, to comfortably warm to hot...it will never notice the difference. It will just be cooked.

Obama is right in that if he's elected, change will come. The question is, will any of us be smart enough to hop out of the warming waters after 4 years?
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so by your definition mccains own comments would make him a socialist of marxist?

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hmmm- here it is-
I didn't say he was. I asked a question. And yes, McCains views to placate the masses do concern me. I've never been a big McCain fan. But those statements seem to more strongly support consistent CORE beliefs of Obama.
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