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Old 10-28-2008, 11:47 AM   #11
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Default Re: Holmes cost Steelers dearly in loss to Giants

I wouldnt say his suspension caused the loss since its tough to throw to any WR on your ass in the backfield.
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Old 10-28-2008, 11:53 AM   #12
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Default Re: Holmes cost Steelers dearly in loss to Giants

Maybe his presence wouldn't have made a difference completely but when you've got to cover Holmes instead of a rookie, it makes a difference in the defensive scheme.
I would summize that it's easier to go man up on a rookie rather than a seasoned veteran who can burn you for a 60 yard TD on a 5 yard slant!!!
It may not have cost the Steelers the W but it did cost the offensive performance at least some.
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Old 10-28-2008, 12:01 PM   #13
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I like the way Tomlin and Holmes have handled this. Tomlin took a hard approach to it and Holmes knows he screwed up. Hopefully Holmes won't be so stupid next time and will come out fired up on Monday.
Yeppers - absolutely.

To me, Tomlin comes across publicly as a gentle soul but you can clearly see still waters run deep in this man. I'm 100% sure it must have sucked to be Santo in that room with a pissed off Tomlin doing all of the talking.

I agree this matter should be put behind the Steelers and it is time to move forward and hope that Santo uses better judgment in the future. The kid is a valuable asset to the team and we're going to need to utilize his talents and deep threat specialties against the Skins on MNF. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt here because I believe in the guy.
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Old 10-28-2008, 12:19 PM   #14
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i doubt if holmes played it would have changed the outcome.
Are you kidding? Our passing game sucked, and his absence was a big part of it.

Hell, if Holmes was in the game for that play with the goofball interception, maybe he takes a hit and hangs on to the ball, instead of Washington taking a hit and the ball coming loose. Who knows? But I can't imagine he'd do worse than 3 catches for 28 yards, which is what Sweed had. Anything to help that awful passing performance would've made a difference.
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Old 10-29-2008, 10:07 AM   #15
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Are you kidding? Our passing game sucked, and his absence was a big part of it.

Hell, if Holmes was in the game for that play with the goofball interception, maybe he takes a hit and hangs on to the ball, instead of Washington taking a hit and the ball coming loose. Who knows? But I can't imagine he'd do worse than 3 catches for 28 yards, which is what Sweed had. Anything to help that awful passing performance would've made a difference.
how is holmes going to grab BR's inaccurate throws and INTs? how is holmes going to give BR time to throw? how is holmes going to get BR to scan the field quicker and get rid of the ball? holmes would have been running the same lame routes as the rest of the WRs.

i see what you are saying. a more experienced WR is better than a rookie, but i don't think it would have really helped the situation, IMO. if he arians kept going wioth the short passing routes, then yes, i agree holmes would have helped. but if he did keep going short i think they would have won without holmes. they should have kept going to miller.

on a different note: what is ken anderson doing for BR? i have seen no improvement in BR in terms of his long ball and read/recognition skills. i really don't see any(much) difference in BR now and BR in his rookie season. where is the growth?
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I just think Holmes would've been better at getting open on those short-to-medium routes than Washington or Sweed was. There were several times when it seemed like Ben was looking to get rid of the ball for 10-15 yards after a couple seconds, but then everyone was covered and he panicked. He hit Miller a couple times and Ward a couple times on passes like that, but overall it was an area where we were lacking. Maybe if we'd had more success we would've stuck with it.

Really can't tell you what's been going on with Ben's development or lack thereof. I mean, the guy's natural talent and instinct are off the charts, but if anything, it seems like sometimes he's regressing to sandlot football when he tries too hard to make plays. It also seems like there are a LOT more passes where he overthrows or underthrows a guy by 5 yards or some Maddox-like amount of that nature. That hardly ever happened his first two seasons, but happens all the time now.
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Really can't tell you what's been going on with Ben's development or lack thereof. I mean, the guy's natural talent and instinct are off the charts, but if anything, it seems like sometimes he's regressing to sandlot football when he tries too hard to make plays. It also seems like there are a LOT more passes where he overthrows or underthrows a guy by 5 yards or some Maddox-like amount of that nature. That hardly ever happened his first two seasons, but happens all the time now.
It's what I referred to as the "Favre symptoms"
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how is holmes going to grab BR's inaccurate throws and INTs? how is holmes going to give BR time to throw? how is holmes going to get BR to scan the field quicker and get rid of the ball? holmes would have been running the same lame routes as the rest of the WRs.

i see what you are saying. a more experienced WR is better than a rookie, but i don't think it would have really helped the situation, IMO. if he arians kept going wioth the short passing routes, then yes, i agree holmes would have helped. but if he did keep going short i think they would have won without holmes. they should have kept going to miller.

on a different note: what is ken anderson doing for BR? i have seen no improvement in BR in terms of his long ball and read/recognition skills. i really don't see any(much) difference in BR now and BR in his rookie season. where is the growth?
I agree. Could Holmes have made a difference, perhaps, but there were so many "issues" with our offense it is really hard to say......our problems ran much deeper than just one receiver imo.

Very glad we have him back though!
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I agree. Could Holmes have made a difference, perhaps, but there were so many "issues" with our offense it is really hard to say......our problems ran much deeper than just one receiver imo.

Very glad we have him back though!
Yeah, something's just not right. We've got a Pro Bowl quarterback, a Pro Bowl running back plus another back who's playing even better, two Pro Bowl-caliber receivers, one of the best TEs in the league, and even the offensive line has been doing better lately.

That's every position on offense, so what the hell is our problem? Seems to indicate our strategy and playcalling just flat-out sucks.
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I actually liked Tomlin's handling of the matter. While Cook might think it was 'lame' that seems more like trying to create a story out of nothing than anything else. Tomlin showed balls by voluntarily suspending Santonio and publicly stating that he didn't give a damn what the league thought.

I guess now he and Mike Singletary can start a club.
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