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Old 12-06-2005, 11:49 AM   #1
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Default Bears Offense?

Here's how I see it. Let me know what you think.

Bears Offense

Da Bears have had no real passing game at all this year, due to injuries. Starting QB Rex Grossman went down in the pre-season with a broken ankle. Hot prospect WR Mark Bradley is gone with a knee injury. What's left? A rookie QB (Orton) who is struggling to adapt from being a shotgun QB in college to a WCO-type passing game. Result? His accuracy stinks. The only deep threat left @ WR is Muhsin Muhammad. Result? he gets covered up by Defenses, no other decently fast receivers to draw off the coverage.

However, that picture is changing. Grossman has suited up as "Emergency" or 3rd QB for the past 2 games. He may be healthy enough to be bumped up to #2 this week. If so, he will likely play for at least part of the game against the Steelers. Grossman is a 3rd year vet who has no problem in the WCO-type passing game. Additionally, da Bears have been beefing up @ WR as players recover. We have added Berrian and Berlin to the roster. Both are fast and should be able to get the separation from defenders that da Bears have needed all season. That should also draw some of the coverage away from Muhammad, enabling him to get open downfield. Should be an interesting day @ Heinz Field, no matter who's under center for da Bears.

Da Bears running game is a different matter. Although we've lost hot rookie Cedric Benson for the time being (may be back for X-Mas game in Green Bay), vet Thomas Jones is having a Pro-Bowl season. He's already rushed for over 1,000 yards this year, with 4 games to go yet, plus having to miss a game due to a rib injury. When you figure that opponents know all you can do is run, they're going to set up to stop the run. But they haven't been able to this year against da Bears. Even if they manage to contain a slashing runner like Jones (which few have been able to), we just put in Adrian Peterson - a "power" Back. He doesn't run around defenders like Jones, he runs over them. It's hard for any Defense to be capable of containing both types of rushers...

The other bright spot on da Bears Offense is our O-line. The front four have not only provided great protection for Orton all year, but they've been opening up inside lanes for Jones all season long. If the Steelers play a 3-4 Defense, this is going to make opening lanes up even easier...

Although I hope for da Bears to have Kyle Orton try to come out passing to give him a chance to have a "breakout" game, I don't really expect it. Da Bears Offense has been doing it's job all year by running the ball. This protects it from turnovers and burns the clock, allowing our D to remain rested and refreshed. If we have a lead, no matter how small, we have generally been content to sit on it and depend on our Defense to keep the opponent from scoring. Drive as far as you can (mainly on the ground), holding onto the ball as long as you can. If you can't get close enough for a FG, then at least punt it deep to force the opposing Offense into a long drive against our D. Often opponents become frustrated at their poor field postion and start passing deep to make quick yardage. That's when our Secondary (Vasher & Tillman) will make them pay with an interception. I expect the Steelers to try it. Whether they learn it's a bad idea after one Vasher interception, or if it takes two in a row (like it did with Carolina), depends on how desparate Pittsburgh feels...
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Old 12-06-2005, 12:46 PM   #2
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Default Re: Bears Offense?

This is very simple. It's one thing to run the ball against Minnesota's and Green Bay's and Detroit's of this league, and it's another thing entirely to run the ball against Pittsburgh, in Pittsburgh, especially when you have a QB (or QB's) that consider a good game 9-15 for 120 yards and 1 INT. The Steelers will stack the box and force Orton to pass.

The Steelers rush defense is ranked 4th in the league. Here's where the competion the Bears have faced rank.

Redskins: 15th
Lions: 25th
Bengals: 24th
Browns: 27th
Vikings: 18th
Ravens: 13th
Saints: 28th
49ers: 20th
Panthers: 2nd
Bucs: 8th
Packers: 26th

The 2 defenses the Bears played worth anything held them in check: Tampa Bay allowed the Bears 118 on the ground, and Carolina 122.
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Default Re: Bears Offense?

This is a game that will hinge more on how our offense plays instead of how well your offense plays.

Meaning that both defenses are stellar..so it comes down to, IMO, Ben and our offense if we stick w/ it should be able to put some points on the board as the game rolls on.. however there isnt too much that is intimidating about the bears offense at this point. The running game isnt doing too bad, but it shouldnt be a problem to just come after orton and force him to try and beat us.

We'll see, should be a great game!
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The 2 defenses the Bears played worth anything held them in check: Tampa Bay allowed the Bears 118 on the ground, and Carolina 122.
Don't put too much into the Panthers and Buccaneers having "held" da Bears to 118 & 122 yards respectively. In the case of da Bears, it's a deceiving statistic. Our Offense didn't rush for a lot of yards because they didn't have to. The Defense often forced a turnover or just stopped the opposing Offense deep in their own territory to give us excellent field position. We are a ball-control, field-position team, on both sides of the ball...
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Default Re: Bears Offense?

As are we, which should make this a quite lowing scoring game relatively speaking, unless alot of points are generated by ST and the defenses that is.

Both offenses may get some points in the second half as the defenses are battling it out and maybe allow some cheap points, but realistically it should be a slug fest.
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Alright, let's put this another way.

If the Bears pass for 120 yards, throw 1-2 interceptions, and run 35 times for 120 yards, they will score 3-6 points and lose Sunday.
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Alright, let's put this another way.

If the Bears pass for 120 yards, throw 1-2 interceptions, and run 35 times for 120 yards, they will score 3-6 points and lose Sunday.
Why do you think that? Da Bears have basically been doing that all season, including their current 8-game-winning-streak. Why can they win that way against the Lions, Ravens, Saints, Buccaneers, Panthers, 49ers, Vikings, and Packers, but not against the Steelers? Because Roethlisberger can easily throw for 250 yards, even with a hurt thumb?

Brett Farve threw for 277 Sunday to Orton's 68, but the Packers still lost. Chris Simms threw for 202 yards while KO only threw 138 but da Bears beat the Buccaneers too. Same with Delhomme and the Panthers, Carolina had 235 yards, yet da Bears won with only 136 yards passing. Daunte Culpepper had 237 yards to Kyle's measly 117, yet da Bears beat Minnesota as well.

On the other hand, Big Ben threw for 386 yards against Cincinnati's 227, but the Steelers lost anyway. Sheer yardage is not a measure of winning on the field. I'd rather get 21 yards on three series starting at the opponent's 30 yard line to score 9 points on 3 FGs as opposed to getting 90 yards on three series starting from my own 20 and have to punt it away three times...
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As are we, which should make this a quite lowing scoring game relatively speaking, unless alot of points are generated by ST and the defenses that is.

Both offenses may get some points in the second half as the defenses are battling it out and maybe allow some cheap points, but realistically it should be a slug fest.
Sorry, but I find it hard to consider Pittsburgh a "ball-control" team if they try passing 41 times in a game for 386 yards. To me that's just daring the other team to take the ball away from you...

Oh, and don't count on scoring from inside the 20, da Bears Defense is the best in the NFL when it comes to the Red Zone.
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Why do you think that? Da Bears have basically been doing that all season, including their current 8-game-winning-streak. Why can they win that way against the Lions, Ravens, Saints, Buccaneers, Panthers, 49ers, Vikings, and Packers, but not against the Steelers? Because Roethlisberger can easily throw for 250 yards, even with a hurt thumb?

Brett Farve threw for 277 Sunday to Orton's 68, but the Packers still lost. Chris Simms threw for 202 yards while KO only threw 138 but da Bears beat the Buccaneers too. Same with Delhomme and the Panthers, Carolina had 235 yards, yet da Bears won with only 136 yards passing. Daunte Culpepper had 237 yards to Kyle's measly 117, yet da Bears beat Minnesota as well.

On the other hand, Big Ben threw for 386 yards against Cincinnati's 227, but the Steelers lost anyway. Sheer yardage is not a measure of winning on the field. I'd rather get 21 yards on three series starting at the opponent's 30 yard line to score 9 points on 3 FGs as opposed to getting 90 yards on three series starting from my own 20 and have to punt it away three times...
why do you keep comparing us to the packers?????? there is a HUGE! difference between the two............and y'all play in the nfc someone needs to give y'all a cookie for being 8-3, in that division if you ain't 8-3 you should be banned from the league. it's gonna be a good game but please stop comparing us to the teams in the nfc espically the teams that are in your division
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This is very simple. It's one thing to run the ball against Minnesota's and Green Bay's and Detroit's of this league, and it's another thing entirely to run the ball against Pittsburgh, in Pittsburgh, especially when you have a QB (or QB's) that consider a good game 9-15 for 120 yards and 1 INT. The Steelers will stack the box and force Orton to pass.

The Steelers rush defense is ranked 4th in the league. Here's where the competion the Bears have faced rank.

Redskins: 15th
Lions: 25th
Bengals: 24th
Browns: 27th
Vikings: 18th
Ravens: 13th
Saints: 28th
49ers: 20th
Panthers: 2nd
Bucs: 8th
Packers: 26th

The 2 defenses the Bears played worth anything held them in check: Tampa Bay allowed the Bears 118 on the ground, and Carolina 122.
Are you saying 118-122 yards rushing a game is bad? Well then the steelers have a bad run game averaging only 123.
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