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Old 11-08-2008, 09:22 PM   #1
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Default Line prospects in LSU-Bama game

Just finished going thru the LSU Alabama game and looking at some of the top line prospects.

Man I love Alabama LT Andre Smith's game. Big man who moves well and uses his arms with a good punch and leg drive to move defenders. Stays with rushers well and just locks down the pass rusher. Also executes a combo block well where he first hits the lineman, then scrapes to the 2nd level to get a LB. I would love if the Steelers got him.

Ciron Black the LT from LSU, seemed less impressive. Kind of an oaf that run blocks well, but doesnt have as good of feet. He seems to like cut blocking a lot when the play is away from him.....which I dont like. I mean, if you are not in the play, either block downfield on the playside or smack the guy in the face in front of you instead of diving at his feet.

Tyson Jackson the DE from LSU was disapointing to me. He stands up right off the snap and gives away leverage. He tries to slap and swim defenders, without initially jarring them with a shot to the chestplate. He looked to stand up and read-react more, than fire off the ball downhill into the OT and then shed him. Might have some measureables, but I dont like his lack of agressiveness and shying away from being physical. Would need some work and maybe an attitude adjustment to fit with the Steelers.
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Old 11-08-2008, 09:49 PM   #2
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Default Re: Line prospects in LSU-Bama game

now what kinda scouting report is that? get back on the coach with that remote, and get us something on......
herman johnson ....LSU G
AL Woods.................LSU NT
Antione caldwell......AL C
Terrance cody..........AL NT
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Old 11-09-2008, 12:00 AM   #3
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now what kinda scouting report is that? get back on the coach with that remote, and get us something on......
herman johnson ....LSU G
AL Woods.................LSU NT
Antione caldwell......AL C
Terrance cody..........AL NT
Sorry, I know it was shoddy coverage and really you could consider maybe 15+ players in that game today will be drafted in the next couple seasons..... but I only considered the guys that were either an OT or DE worth drafting.

I like Caldwell's play, but am still an Mack and Luigs pimp at center. Max Unger from Oregon doesnt fit with the Steelers. IMO.

Terrance Cody is a big presence, but reminds me of Finch from Wildcats. Cody makes Casey Hampton look fit and trim. I worry about guys that can eat their way out of playing the game.
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Sorry, I know it was shoddy coverage and really you could consider maybe 15+ players in that game today will be drafted in the next couple seasons..... but I only considered the guys that were either an OT or DE worth drafting.

I like Caldwell's play, but am still an Mack and Luigs pimp at center. Max Unger from Oregon doesnt fit with the Steelers. IMO.

Terrance Cody is a big presence, but reminds me of Finch from Wildcats. Cody makes Casey Hampton look fit and trim. I worry about guys that can eat their way out of playing the game.
hamptons on the down side of his carrear, and seems to spend a lot of time injured the last few years, plus his contract will be up soon (2009 ?)
cody has been his size since high school. read this article, then start paying attention to him.....
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/column...ark&id=3610296

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"He's a beast," said Georgia coach Mark Richt, whose No. 3 Bulldogs host the No. 8 Crimson Tide at Sanford Stadium on Saturday night. "No one's blocked him. No one man has blocked him, and I haven't seen many double-teams block him, either. He's a problem, and probably the reason they are so outstanding against the rush. When you talk about guys who can push a pocket back in front of a quarterback, he can do it."
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In Alabama's 34-10 win over Clemson in the Aug. 30 opener, Cody helped the Crimson Tide hold the Tigers to zero rushing yards. In last week's 49-14 victory at Arkansas, Cody repeatedly beat double-team blocks, many of which were led by Jonathan Luigs, the 2007 Rimington Award winner as college football's best center.
so you like luigs, but wouldn't take a chance on a guy luigs couldn't block 1 on 1?

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"I haven't seen anybody who's a match for this guy one-on-one," Richt said. "Nobody playing on Saturdays, or Sundays probably."
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he had a 400-pound defensive lineman who could dunk a basketball.
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Campbell was amazed by Cody's athleticism once he arrived in Perkinston, Miss., to begin junior college. During the Bulldogs' training camp before the 2006 season, Cody completed agility drills better than most of the team's linemen.
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"We had to work with him, but he was in great shape for a 400-pounder," Campbell said. "The first time we did boxes and jumped rope, you could tell he was pretty special. Most 400-pound guys can't jump on those boxes, but he was doing it like a skill guy."
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MOP, I know its tough to judge him because of the leg injury he has. I dont know much about his medical history........have you heard anything?

When a big guy like that has a leg injury it scares me that he is physically carrying too much weight on him. The slow-mo scene they showed of him was disgusting as you could see his belly fat shifting from side to side. It looked like 100lbs of atapose around his waist....he looked like he should be a contestant on The Biggest Loser. Maybe he is the next Ted Wasington or Sam Adams? I havent seen enough of him play to make a judgement.

I think we need to look at OT, C, DE in the early rounds right now anyways. We can bank on Hampton for a few more seasons and Hoke's contract was extended. Somebody else will take Cody high.
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For what it's worth, I think there were a good many true NFL quality lineman on both sides of the ball in that game. Alabama in particular.

Now, of course I don't have the super shiny resume of being a high school line coach or anything, but I have watched a lot of college ball, and it seems to me that Alabama hangs with more talented teams (and beats them this year) by dominating at the point of attack on both sides of the ball. I'd be interested in really learning more and breaking down 5 or 6 linemen of theirs on both sides of the ball. Time for that in the offseason, but as much as Alabama as a team has underwhelmed me, their OL and DL play has floored me when I've seen them play.
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For what it's worth, I think there were a good many true NFL quality lineman on both sides of the ball in that game. Alabama in particular.

Now, of course I don't have the super shiny resume of being a high school line coach or anything, but I have watched a lot of college ball, and it seems to me that Alabama hangs with more talented teams (and beats them this year) by dominating at the point of attack on both sides of the ball. I'd be interested in really learning more and breaking down 5 or 6 linemen of theirs on both sides of the ball. Time for that in the offseason, but as much as Alabama as a team has underwhelmed me, their OL and DL play has floored me when I've seen them play.
You are right. This is only the 2nd time I have watched Alabama play this year and they seem to be solid in the trenches. They really control the LOS. Julio Jones is a real talent.......the way he stands out reminded me of the first time I saw Calvin Johnson.

I was disapointed in what I saw from Tyson Jackson. If he plays like that consistently he would only grade out as a 5th round pick (IMO). But what do I know.....I thought Javon Kearse was a tweener that would be a bust and he's probably in his 10th year in the league.
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MOP, I know its tough to judge him because of the leg injury he has. I dont know much about his medical history........have you heard anything.
sprained mcl .... back to practicing as of nov 4th
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I say we let Marvel Smith and Starks go and trade someone??? for a high draft pick, 1st or 2nd and get 1 o lineman and 1 d lineman.
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You are right. This is only the 2nd time I have watched Alabama play this year and they seem to be solid in the trenches. They really control the LOS. Julio Jones is a real talent.......the way he stands out reminded me of the first time I saw Calvin Johnson.

I was disapointed in what I saw from Tyson Jackson. If he plays like that consistently he would only grade out as a 5th round pick (IMO). But what do I know.....I thought Javon Kearse was a tweener that would be a bust and he's probably in his 10th year in the league.

Don't be to hard on yourself there are people that get paid a lot of money that missed on that one.

I was very interested in you comments about Andre Smith, mainly because I love the kid as well and saw a lot of what you saw. If he comes out I think he could be the best OL let alone OT in the draft. I saw a lot of the same things early in Black, just with less talent, but I haven't seen him play the last 3 games. You are the second person that has said he hasn't looked good lately and that concerns me some.

Right now I am trying to look a OTs that I think will be available in the late 3rd or 4th rounds, I have 3 or 4 that I liked earlier. You have any suggestions?
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