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Old 11-19-2008, 08:01 PM   #1
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Default Giving up on GOD by Kathleen Parker

heres an interresting and provocative piece that shows some of the gnashing of teeth from within-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111802886.html



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As Republicans sort out the reasons for their defeat, they likely will overlook or dismiss the gorilla in the pulpit.

I'm bathing in holy water as I type.

To be more specific, the evangelical, right-wing, oogedy-boogedy branch of the GOP is what ails the erstwhile conservative party and will continue to afflict and marginalize its constituents if reckoning doesn't soon cometh.

Simply put: Armband religion is killing the Republican Party. And, the truth -- as long as we're setting ourselves free -- is that if one were to eavesdrop on private conversations among the party intelligentsia, one would hear precisely that.

The choir has become absurdly off-key, and many Republicans know it.


But they need those votes!

So it has been for the Grand Old Party since the 1980s or so, as it has become increasingly beholden to an element that used to be relegated to wooden crates on street corners.

Short break as writer ties blindfold and smokes her last cigarette.

Which is to say, the GOP has surrendered its high ground to its lowest brows. In the process, the party has alienated its non-base constituents, including other people of faith (those who prefer a more private approach to worship), as well as secularists and conservative-leaning Democrats who otherwise might be tempted to cross the aisle.

Here's the deal, 'pubbies: Howard Dean was right.

It isn't that culture doesn't matter. It does. But preaching to the choir produces no converts. And shifting demographics suggest that the Republican Party -- and conservatism with it -- eventually will die out unless religion is returned to the privacy of one's heart where it belongs.

Religious conservatives become defensive at any suggestion that they've had something to do with the GOP's erosion. And, though the recent Democratic sweep can be attributed in large part to a referendum on Bush and the failing economy, three long-term trends identified by Emory University's Alan Abramowitz have been devastating to the Republican Party: increasing racial diversity, declining marriage rates and changes in religious beliefs.

Suffice it to say, the Republican Party is largely comprised of white, married Christians. Anyone watching the two conventions last summer can't have missed the stark differences: One party was brimming with energy, youth and diversity; the other felt like an annual Depends sales meeting.

With the exception of Miss Alaska, of course.

Even Sarah Palin has blamed Bush policies for the GOP loss. She's not entirely wrong, but she's also part of the problem. Her recent conjecture about whether to run for president in 2012 (does anyone really doubt she will?) speaks for itself:

"I'm like, okay, God, if there is an open door for me somewhere, this is what I always pray, I'm like, don't let me miss the open door. Show me where the open door is.... And if there is an open door in (20)12 or four years later, and if it's something that is going to be good for my family, for my state, for my nation, an opportunity for me, then I'll plow through that door."

Let's do pray that God shows Alaska's governor the door.

Meanwhile, it isn't necessary to evict the Creator from the public square, surrender Judeo-Christian values or diminish the value of faith in America. Belief in something greater than oneself has much to recommend it, including most of the world's architectural treasures, our universities and even our founding documents.

But, like it or not, we are a diverse nation, no longer predominantly white and Christian. The change Barack Obama promised has already occurred, which is why he won.

Among Jewish voters, 78 percent went for Obama. Sixty-six percent of under-30 voters did likewise. Forty-five percent of voters ages 18-29 are Democrats compared to just 26 percent Republican; in 2000, party affiliation was split almost evenly.

The young will get older, of course. Most eventually will marry, and some will become their parents. But nonwhites won't get whiter. And the nonreligious won't get religion through external conversion. It doesn't work that way.

Given those facts, the future of the GOP looks dim and dimmer if it stays the present course. Either the Republican Party needs a new base -- or the nation may need a new party.
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Default Re: Giving up on GOD by Kathleen Parker

There are a number of problems in that article.

1. She doesn't account for the wins of 2000, 2002, and 2004, each of which were produced SPECIFICALLY because Karl Rove focused on the "religious vote." Matter of fact, there are a LOT and I mean a LOT of people who DIDN'T vote this time because of McCain. Many of those went third party as well, and other just couldn't vote because they wanted to send a message to the GOP about the GOP becoming the new democratic party.

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I simply arrogant. It assumes evangelicals are low-brow. However, the majority of evangelicals are mid to upper mid class Americans. Does she REALLY think that middle and upper middle class Americans are "low brow"

3. The Jewish vote in presidential elections was the second highest for the GOP since 1988. Bush received the highest Jewish vote 4 years ago since 1988. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...l/jewvote.html

4. And this is the biggest issue, John McCain was seen as a democrat by many Reaganesqe conservatives.


I take this article with a grain of salt.
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4. And this is the biggest issue, John McCain was seen as a democrat by many Reaganesqe conservatives.
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Default Re: Giving up on GOD by Kathleen Parker

Wow. I do not have a lot to say about what she said, but maybe I can give my thoughts in a few words...the end of time... We need to stop looking for answers from people and look for the answers from God. The Book of Revelations…
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Liberalism and the resulting breakdown of the traditional norms and values and the redefining of what is considered right, good and obligatory is the reason. Liberalism and it's idiotic socialist leaning followers is the reason and is also what is ruining this country. Let's face it, most slackers, drug dealers, prostitutes, convicts, terrorists, socialists, communists and attorneys and people who like random "change" vote liberal/democrat..
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Liberalism and the resulting breakdown of the traditional norms and values and the redefining of what is considered right, good and obligatory is the reason. Liberalism and it's idiotic socialist leaning followers is the reason and is also what is ruining this country. Let's face it, most slackers, drug dealers, prostitutes, convicts, terrorists, socialists, communists and attorneys and people who like random "change" vote liberal/democrat..
too bad the article was written by a conservative/republican, huh?


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too bad the article was written by a conservative/republican, huh?
Sorry, I forgot this was designated a "no ranting allowed" thread.
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That's only if they can't fit them in the "we'll drive you to the polls" vans.
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That's only if they can't fit them in the "we'll drive you to the polls" vans.
LOL... silly republican... do you buy everything the extreme right media feeds you?

have you not seen the price to gas up vans these days? everyone knows the DNC brings in the pimps, ho's and drug dealers on charter flights and then puts them in limos to go to the polls...
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[QUOTE=tony hipchest;478515]too bad the article was written by a conservative/republican, huh? QUOTE]

Ms parker calls herself a republican, but for the most part to keep her job at the times and going on the chris mathews show alot of times she has to throws the "conservitives" under the bus. So this does not suprise me one bit!


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