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Old 11-26-2008, 02:16 PM   #11
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That is exactly the argument that many, including I make against the sweeping gestures of postmodernism. This is a big topic in theology right now.

The key, is dealing with foundationalism.

Do you keep foundationalism, or dispose of it? Personally, I dispose of Cartesian foundationalism, as I am truly more Kantian.
Perfect! We arrive at the same conclusion in two entirely seperate ways, in two entirely different threads. Using mathematical analogies worked for me in the other thread, and that certainly "exposes me" as a Cartesian thinker. It's also important to note the Decartes represents, more or less, the unraveling of science and philosophy, since they were both pretty much analogous prior to his writings.

Which, incidentally, is part of the problem here. With science and philosophy so closely related in the recent past, it leaves the "flank" of enligtenment open to attack.
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Old 11-26-2008, 03:32 PM   #12
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Perfect! We arrive at the same conclusion in two entirely seperate ways, in two entirely different threads. Using mathematical analogies worked for me in the other thread, and that certainly "exposes me" as a Cartesian thinker. It's also important to note the Decartes represents, more or less, the unraveling of science and philosophy, since they were both pretty much analogous prior to his writings.

Which, incidentally, is part of the problem here. With science and philosophy so closely related in the recent past, it leaves the "flank" of enligtenment open to attack.


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Old 11-26-2008, 04:26 PM   #13
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If that happens, I want to be a fly on a wall listening to you two. It's enlightening (at the very least) e-watching you two have your discussions.
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Old 11-28-2008, 09:25 AM   #14
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You would have appreciated the debate I got into yesterday. Little exposition: I have a new girlfriend, and I went to Thanksgiving and met her entire family yesterday. This is the whole "first impression" thing, so I was on my best behavior. Unfortunately, one of her cousins is a conspiracy theorist, and he was just going on and on and on, and I finally couldn't hold my tongue any longer (The straw that broke the camels back was his claim that we shot the whole lunar landing at Paramount Studios). Kennedy. Moon landings. Aliens.

Boy, did things get ugly...
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LOL! That must have been absolutely hysterical.

Did you start singing that song to him: "Their coming to take me a way ha ha, to the funny farm where life is wonderful all of the time...." Or was there awkward silence followed by an uncomfortable segue by mom like: "OK, anybody ready for some home-made pumpkin pie?"

I mean seriously, how did the conversation end?

My cousin believes the lunar landing was a conspiracy as well. He is intelligent, articulate and has made some excellent points. The problem with many conspiracy theorists is that their delivery is often so in your face & apparently close minded / one-sided, that people completely disregard what they say, even it it makes sense or is factually based to a degree.
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It happens. My mom is a big conspiracy theorist. When she rants, I've learned to smile and nod because that's the only way we'll get along.

Does the cousin believe that only the late night radio talk shows tell the truth and all other media (to include Fox News) is extremley biased and owned by the Government who (if the Dems control all aspects) will overthrow society as we know it and we'll then have a tyranny on our hands?
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Does the cousin believe that only the late night radio talk shows tell the truth and all other media (to include Fox News) is extremley biased and owned by the Government who (if the Dems control all aspects) will overthrow society as we know it and we'll then have a tyranny on our hands?
Are you implying you believe that isn't true?
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He made some outrageous assertions. He basically thinks that the radiation belt (Van Allen Belt...I knew the name...he did not) surrounding the Earth is impenetrable, even by radio waves. He also had no idea that we walked on the several times, not once.

As fore the whole "hoax" thing, really, it was fairly easy stuff to refute...it would have taken a massive film crew to pull it off, and how would you keep all those people quiet for 40 years?
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He made some outrageous assertions. He basically thinks that the radiation belt (Van Allen Belt...I knew the name...he did not) surrounding the Earth is impenetrable, even by radio waves. He also had no idea that we walked on the several times, not once.

As fore the whole "hoax" thing, really, it was fairly easy stuff to refute...it would have taken a massive film crew to pull it off, and how would you keep all those people quiet for 40 years?
Let me guess - he probably also believes the Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile and not an airplane on 9/11, right? And that the Twin Towers were brought down by internal explosives that were planted by Jews at Bush's behest?
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I'm sure he does...we just never got that far...
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