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Old 11-30-2008, 08:48 AM   #1
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Default Ben being rude to fans? (see bolded section of the article)

(First time I've heard about this but given the intensity of Steeler fans it doesn't surprise me. The section that refers to Ben is bolded. - mesa)
http://www.timesonline.com/articles/...d359614384.txt

Steigerwald: QB play holding Pitt back

By John Steigerwald, Times Sports Correspondent
Published: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:03 AM EST
Imagine if Pitt had a quarterback.

Bill Stull, a redshirt junior, is in his first year as a starter, and maybe he has played about as well as most first-year starters at the highest level of college football play. But can you count the number of games in the last two years in which Pitt has outplayed its opponent and lost or almost lost because of the stark difference in quarterback play?

It almost happened against West Virginia Friday. Take away Pat White's spectacular 54-yard touchdown run and he didn't play much better than Stull. Pitt dominated the game especially early and would have won easily if not for Stull's mistakes.

Pitt coach Dave Wannstedt took a lot of criticism his first two years for not recruiting enough Division I-A linemen on either side of the ball. You don't hear too many people complaining now, do you? Pitt beat West Virginia because of better line play.

And, of course, LeSean McCoy.

He makes Pitt a good team. A really good quarterback might have made Pitt an elite team. Great quarterbacks aren't easy to find and they're even harder to recruit when you coach in the Big East and you have a reputation as a guy who loves to run the ball.

Maybe Stull can become a really good quarterback before he's through, but Wannstedt needs to find better production from the position if he expects Pitt to be anything but a pretty good team that will probably go to a decent bowl game.

- Let's hope that LeSean McCoy finds a good insurance man. He says he's passing on the NFL draft and staying at Pitt even though he's eligible for the NFL draft after only two seasons.

McCoy is a likely first-round pick and is passing up millions of dollars, and he'll be shopping for an insurance policy that will bring him millions of dollars if he suffers a career-ending injury next season.

From here, that looks like a pretty good bet. There's a pretty good chance that, if he has another season like his first two, he could be the number one pick in the 2010 draft. That could mean several million more than he would be in line for next April.

He's not just a great college running back and he's not just a future No.1 pick. He is a once-in-a-lifetime runner. The last Pitt running back to have a long, successful NFL career was Curtis Martin. He's headed to the Hall of Fame. McCoy is better.

- Ben Roethlisberger's ears must have been burning on Tuesday. KDKA talkshow host Marty Griffin spent a good part of the morning trashing him and taking calls from fans who agreed with him and it had nothing to do with how he has played quarterback this season. It was all about his people skills.

Griffin claimed that Roethlisberger had complained to him about Steelers fans not giving him space. He said that Ben said he wished people would leave him alone.

Ben's a future Hall of Fame quarterback, but he's not going to make the goodwill ambassador hall of fame. There seem to be thousands of Ben-was-rude-to-me stories circulating in western Pennsylvania. Some of them are from fans who have been treated rudely by him, some are from people who have seen him behaving badly and some are from his own teammates and former teammates.

I'm aware of a few incidents myself, but, that doesn't mean he doesn't have a legitimate complaint. I've seen fans hanging around the entrances to hotel elevators waiting to ambush players. I've seen them waiting outside of hotel restaurants and I've heard the nasty comments directed at players who didn't feel like standing around a hotel lobby signing hundreds of autographs.

They think that because they drove five hours to Cincinnati to see a Steelers game, the players owe them something. I can only imagine what it must be like for Roethlisberger when he makes the mistake of going out in public. Fans view a Big Ben sighting as a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to get his autograph or to have him show up as wallpaper on their cell phone.

Ben needs to show a little more tact but the fans also need to back off.

- Steelers fans are worried about whether the Steelers are going to get home-field advantage in the playoffs. Imagine if they were hoping to see their first home playoff game since Harry Truman was president. That's what Arizona Cardinals fans are hoping Ken Whisenthut can give them.

- I had come to believe that Mike Vick had been punished enough and deserved another chance to play in the NFL. Not anymore. Not since I read that affidavits taken as testimony in Virginia claimed that Vick and his two buddies would laugh as they watched someone's pet dog being ripped to pieces after being put into the fighting pit with one of their pit bulls.

Here's hoping he never plays another down in the NFL or any other league.

l The Pirates signed two players from India a few days ago. Need I say more?

John Steigerwald is a talk show host on KDKA Radio. His column appears Saturdays.
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Old 11-30-2008, 08:58 AM   #2
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Default Re: Ben being rude to fans? (see bolded section of the article)

Eh, I don't know how to feel about this.

Some of these cases are like watching the paparazzi (sp?) in hollywood almost literally stalking celebrities just to get a stupid picture. You see videos of them harrassing the celebs trying to get them to do something crazy so they can make more money off of the story.

I have no doubt the same thing goes on with NFL players.

We love to watch our favorite players. We look up to them. They are like heroes to us. But at the end of the day we have to realize that they are just people too, and they need their space.

But at the same time, players need to realize that fans aren't doing it to be rude. We see one of our heroes, and all sense of logic and reasoning disappears as you get all giddy and hope that you get a chance to meet them or get them to autograph something. Maybe a picture.

I don't know. I guess the situation depends on what kind of fan you're dealing with.
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Old 11-30-2008, 10:26 AM   #3
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Here we go...
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Old 11-30-2008, 11:02 AM   #4
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Default Re: Ben being rude to fans? (see bolded section of the article)

I've been hearing rumors around Pittsburgh that he is pretty much a dick in person... (take that for what it's worth.. rumors)

but... I don't really care what his personality is like OFF the field.. as long as he stays out of legal trouble & his off-field activities don't affect his on-field activities.

Performance on the field is what matters.

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yada, yada, yada........back off and give the guy some privacy. He is generous enough with his money and charities. I see his face all the time on the official site during charity events. But his own time his just that........his own time. Give him some space to have a private life.
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yada, yada, yada........back off and give the guy some privacy. He is generous enough with his money and charities. I see his face all the time on the official site during charity events. But his own time his just that........his own time. Give him some space to have a private life.

Exactly, I'm sure his face is all over for his charity work. After all, it's all about the image. Not the reality. This story doesn't surprise me at all.
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yada, yada, yada........back off and give the guy some privacy. He is generous enough with his money and charities. I see his face all the time on the official site during charity events. But his own time his just that........his own time. Give him some space to have a private life.

Agreed! I wish these fans would step back and look at it from Ben's perspective. I know for one that I would hate to be swamped and pressured for autographs and such everytime I went out for a bite to eat or what not. Let the man live a normal life, as long as he produces on the field, I am happy with that.
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Honestly, it's hard to be one of the best at what you do in such a big market and make so much money, and be a good person.
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Unfortunately, this is the price you pay for being a star player in a football-mad city like Pittsburgh. It really isn't much different than being a star hockey player in Montreal or Toronto or a star baseball player in New York or Boston. If these rumors are true, then Ben needs to recognize that and be a little more tactful. At the same time, the fans need to understand that when Ben or any other star athlete is in public, let them live their lives in peace. They do not and should not have to be available 24/7 or be made to feel like they owe the fans anything because they are who they are. In that case, they deserve to get the cold shoulder treatment.
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Unfortunately, this is the price you pay for being a star player in a football-mad city like Pittsburgh. It really isn't much different than being a star hockey player in Montreal or Toronto or a star baseball player in New York or Boston. If these rumors are true, then Ben needs to recognize that and be a little more tactful. At the same time, the fans need to understand that when Ben or any other star athlete are in public, to let them live their lives in peace. They do not and should not have to be available 24/7 or be made to feel like they owe the fans anything because they are who they are. In that case, they deserve to get the cold shoulder treatment.
I agree with most everything you said...except the part that they don't owe the fans anything. Who do you think pays their salary? In a round about way, WE do. If there were no fans to go to games or buy merchandise, where would their money come from?
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