The almighty Ben.....

[LambertIsGod58]

I just wanted to point this out to all of you who think Roethlisberger is still an elite QB. My premise is the same as Chuck Noll. That is being a today person. What you did yesterday doesn't matter. Or in the case, the last 4 seasons. Only one of which was an elite season IMO. If you think being ranked 23rd, behind two rookie QB's and a supposed washed up 40yr old with a new team, is elite....God Bless you for not having high expectations in your franchise QB. I'd like to think we could get alot more for $100 million dollars. I don't route against Ben.....it's actually just the opposite. I am first and foremost a STEELERS fan. I'd like nothing more than for Ben to be the elite QB you all think he is. I just don't. Not after ONE elite year. And if you look back at all the stats, you'll see that the running game and defense were all ranked in the top 5 when we won the SB and the season we went 15-1. BTW NYC, Eli is still a better QB even after yesterday. And even if it weren't the case, Eli is improving while Ben seems to be regressing.


Passing Leaders
NAME COM ATT PCT YDS YPA LNG TD TD% INT INT% SK SYD RAT
1 P. Rivers QB, SDG 242 379 63.9 3169 8.36 67 26 6.9 10 2.6 19.0 119 102.0
2 K. Warner QB, ARI 347 505 68.7 4020 7.96 79 25 5.0 12 2.4 20.0 150 99.1
3 Tony Romo QB, DAL 211 336 62.8 2769 8.24 75 22 6.5 11 3.3 11.0 68 96.9
4 Drew Brees QB, NOR 329 503 65.4 4100 8.15 84 26 5.2 14 2.8 10.0 67 96.2
5 C. Pennington QB, MIA 261 393 66.4 3062 7.79 80 12 3.1 6 1.5 22.0 108 93.7
6 M. Schaub QB, HOU 182 269 67.7 2176 8.09 61 12 4.5 9 3.3 17.0 112 93.1
7 J. Garcia QB, TAM 182 271 67.2 1902 7.02 47 8 3.0 3 1.1 15.0 74 92.5
8 A. Rodgers QB, GNB 276 434 63.6 3192 7.36 63 22 5.1 11 2.5 27.0 172 92.1
9 Matt Ryan QB, ATL 227 366 62.0 2940 8.03 70 14 3.8 7 1.9 13.0 80 92.0
10 E. Manning QB, NYG 243 398 61.1 2747 6.90 48 20 5.0 8 2.0 15.0 101 90.1
11 Jay Cutler QB, DEN 305 489 62.4 3679 7.52 93 23 4.7 14 2.9 7.0 47 89.2
12 P. Manning QB, IND 307 477 64.4 3225 6.76 75 22 4.6 12 2.5 12.0 79 88.8
13 B. Favre QB, NYJ 288 421 68.4 2845 6.76 56 20 4.8 15 3.6 26.0 176 88.2
14 J. Campbell QB, WAS 262 415 63.1 2778 6.69 67 11 2.7 6 1.4 34.0 236 85.4
15 M. Cassel QB, NWE 283 442 64.0 3052 6.91 66 14 3.2 10 2.3 42.0 194 85.3
16 D. McNabb QB, PHI 281 469 59.9 3221 6.87 90 19 4.1 10 2.1 19.0 121 85.2
17 T. Edwards QB, BUF 214 324 66.0 2378 7.34 51 10 3.1 10 3.1 20.0 125 85.1
18 Kyle Orton QB, CHI 212 361 58.7 2414 6.69 65 15 4.2 8 2.2 21.0 134 83.5
19 J. Delhomme QB, CAR 190 329 57.8 2427 7.38 65 12 3.6 9 2.7 18.0 116 81.7
20 K. Collins QB, TEN 206 351 58.7 2280 6.50 56 11 3.1 6 1.7 7.0 50 81.4
21 Joe Flacco QB, BAL 212 352 60.2 2410 6.85 70 13 3.7 10 2.8 23.0 208 81.3
22 D. Garrard QB, JAC 272 436 62.4 2926 6.71 35 11 2.5 10 2.3 36.0 254 80.9
23 B. Roethlisberger QB, PIT 225 376 59.8 2616 6.96 65 14 3.7 12 3.2 38.0 230 80.1
24 T. Thigpen QB, KAN 172 315 54.6 1926 6.11 56 14 4.4 8 2.5 22.0 152 77.3
25 G. Frerotte QB, MIN 178 301 59.1 2157 7.17 99 12 4.0 15 5.0 29.0 164 73.7
26 J. O'Sullivan QB, SFO 128 220 58.2 1678 7.63 63 8 3.6 11 5.0 32.0 197 73.6
27 J. Russell QB, OAK 149 290 51.4 1797 6.20 84 7 2.4 6 2.1 27.0 170 70.1
28 M. Bulger QB, STL 194 340 57.1 2056 6.05 80 8 2.4 12 3.5 31.0 213 68.0
29 R. Fitzpatrick QB, CIN 182 304 59.9 1512 4.97 46 6 2.0 9 3.0 35.0 184 66.9
30 D. Anderson QB, CLE 142 283 50.2 1615 5.71 70 9 3.2 8 2.8 14.0 87 66.5
31 M. Hasselbeck QB, SEA 109 209 52.2 1216 5.82 34 5 2.4 10 4.8 19.0 119 57.8

[The Duke]

So wait, you think Trent Edwards, Matt Shaub, Matt Cassel etc are all better than ben? basing this off QB Rating, one of the most overrated stats? you are way off man

[LambertIsGod58]

Originally Posted by The Duke

So wait, you think Trent Edwards, Matt Shaub, Matt Cassel etc are all better than ben? basing this off QB Rating, one of the most overrated stats? you are way off man

Hey man, I'm only arguing this case based on the arguments I get from people. But if it's not his QB rating or stats, what makes him elite?

[T.Richardson]

Originally Posted by LambertIsGod58

Hey man, I'm only arguing this case based on the arguments I get from people. But if it's not his QB rating or stats, what makes him elite?

They are basing it off last year.

[tony hipchest]

here ya go.

[Dino 6 Rings]

That's a nice list.

Seems that only 4 of the people on that list have Rings on their fingers though.

Ben being one of them.

In a big spot, with the game on the line, I like our chances with Ben. Every single time.

Defense lost the game last year against the Jags.

Ben gets us Wins. Bottom line.

Is he Montana, Nope. Is he Marino, Nope. Is he Elway or Bradshaw, Nope and Nope.

Is he Odonnell, Stewart, Maddox, Tomczak, Brister, Malone or Stoudt? Thank Fcking Goodnesss NO!

I'll take Ben. If you don't like him, that's cool. But I bet you got up and cheered like a fool when he hit that huge pass play to Holmes or threw that ball to Miller that tied the game.

[ShutDown24]

Originally Posted by LambertIsGod58

I just wanted to point this out to all of you who think Roethlisberger is still an elite QB. My premise is the same as Chuck Noll. That is being a today person. What you did yesterday doesn't matter. Or in the case, the last 4 seasons. Only one of which was an elite season IMO. If you think being ranked 23rd, behind two rookie QB's and a supposed washed up 40yr old with a new team, is elite....God Bless you for not having high expectations in your franchise QB. I'd like to think we could get alot more for $100 million dollars. I don't route against Ben.....it's actually just the opposite. I am first and foremost a STEELERS fan. I'd like nothing more than for Ben to be the elite QB you all think he is. I just don't. Not after ONE elite year. And if you look back at all the stats, you'll see that the running game and defense were all ranked in the top 5 when we won the SB and the season we went 15-1. BTW NYC, Eli is still a better QB even after yesterday. And even if it weren't the case, Eli is improving while Ben seems to be regressing.


Passing Leaders
NAME COM ATT PCT YDS YPA LNG TD TD% INT INT% SK SYD RAT
1 P. Rivers QB, SDG 242 379 63.9 3169 8.36 67 26 6.9 10 2.6 19.0 119 102.0
2 K. Warner QB, ARI 347 505 68.7 4020 7.96 79 25 5.0 12 2.4 20.0 150 99.1
3 Tony Romo QB, DAL 211 336 62.8 2769 8.24 75 22 6.5 11 3.3 11.0 68 96.9
4 Drew Brees QB, NOR 329 503 65.4 4100 8.15 84 26 5.2 14 2.8 10.0 67 96.2
5 C. Pennington QB, MIA 261 393 66.4 3062 7.79 80 12 3.1 6 1.5 22.0 108 93.7
6 M. Schaub QB, HOU 182 269 67.7 2176 8.09 61 12 4.5 9 3.3 17.0 112 93.1
7 J. Garcia QB, TAM 182 271 67.2 1902 7.02 47 8 3.0 3 1.1 15.0 74 92.5
8 A. Rodgers QB, GNB 276 434 63.6 3192 7.36 63 22 5.1 11 2.5 27.0 172 92.1
9 Matt Ryan QB, ATL 227 366 62.0 2940 8.03 70 14 3.8 7 1.9 13.0 80 92.0
10 E. Manning QB, NYG 243 398 61.1 2747 6.90 48 20 5.0 8 2.0 15.0 101 90.1
11 Jay Cutler QB, DEN 305 489 62.4 3679 7.52 93 23 4.7 14 2.9 7.0 47 89.2
12 P. Manning QB, IND 307 477 64.4 3225 6.76 75 22 4.6 12 2.5 12.0 79 88.8
13 B. Favre QB, NYJ 288 421 68.4 2845 6.76 56 20 4.8 15 3.6 26.0 176 88.2
14 J. Campbell QB, WAS 262 415 63.1 2778 6.69 67 11 2.7 6 1.4 34.0 236 85.4
15 M. Cassel QB, NWE 283 442 64.0 3052 6.91 66 14 3.2 10 2.3 42.0 194 85.3
16 D. McNabb QB, PHI 281 469 59.9 3221 6.87 90 19 4.1 10 2.1 19.0 121 85.2
17 T. Edwards QB, BUF 214 324 66.0 2378 7.34 51 10 3.1 10 3.1 20.0 125 85.1
18 Kyle Orton QB, CHI 212 361 58.7 2414 6.69 65 15 4.2 8 2.2 21.0 134 83.5
19 J. Delhomme QB, CAR 190 329 57.8 2427 7.38 65 12 3.6 9 2.7 18.0 116 81.7
20 K. Collins QB, TEN 206 351 58.7 2280 6.50 56 11 3.1 6 1.7 7.0 50 81.4
21 Joe Flacco QB, BAL 212 352 60.2 2410 6.85 70 13 3.7 10 2.8 23.0 208 81.3
22 D. Garrard QB, JAC 272 436 62.4 2926 6.71 35 11 2.5 10 2.3 36.0 254 80.9
23 B. Roethlisberger QB, PIT 225 376 59.8 2616 6.96 65 14 3.7 12 3.2 38.0 230 80.1
24 T. Thigpen QB, KAN 172 315 54.6 1926 6.11 56 14 4.4 8 2.5 22.0 152 77.3
25 G. Frerotte QB, MIN 178 301 59.1 2157 7.17 99 12 4.0 15 5.0 29.0 164 73.7
26 J. O'Sullivan QB, SFO 128 220 58.2 1678 7.63 63 8 3.6 11 5.0 32.0 197 73.6
27 J. Russell QB, OAK 149 290 51.4 1797 6.20 84 7 2.4 6 2.1 27.0 170 70.1
28 M. Bulger QB, STL 194 340 57.1 2056 6.05 80 8 2.4 12 3.5 31.0 213 68.0
29 R. Fitzpatrick QB, CIN 182 304 59.9 1512 4.97 46 6 2.0 9 3.0 35.0 184 66.9
30 D. Anderson QB, CLE 142 283 50.2 1615 5.71 70 9 3.2 8 2.8 14.0 87 66.5
31 M. Hasselbeck QB, SEA 109 209 52.2 1216 5.82 34 5 2.4 10 4.8 19.0 119 57.8

You're a dumbass.

[LambertIsGod58]

Originally Posted by ShutDown24

You're a dumbass.

why? because you don't deal with reality?

[Dino 6 Rings]

Most Wins for a QB in his first 5 years.

Thats not on your little list.

[Dizzle43]

We need to start running the ball. But we can't because we probably have the worst offensive lines in the league. Thank goodness we have Ben to extend the play and avoid the rush. Our recievers aren't doing a great job of getting open which makes it a lot easier for the QB. We are lucky to have Ben. If you don't know that by now then you never will.