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Old 01-06-2009, 02:26 PM   #321
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The difference in this game isn't going to be the chargers ability to run - because I don't think they'll be able to do so. But instead, it will be their ability to pass in order to open up the run. The Steelers have shut down some pretty good tandums at RB this year. I also think the Steelers are suspect against the middle screen and delayed hand offs (see the dallas game with Choice)
Wow, someone that actually knows that sometimes you have to pass to run. Amazing. Norv has been doing that in quite a few games, and people are all over his butt. I even heard LT say it in an interview. When people stack 8-9 in the box, you gotta make them pay in the passing game, or it'll be a long day.

And here's a gem for you non-informed fans out there: Guess what? Even a long, INCOMPLETE pass is effective to make the defense play honest. Sometimes that leads to a 3-and-out and sets up something later in the game. People keep asking why Norv runs LT into the middle of the line only to get trounced when everyone knows its coming, THEN THEY CHEER when Rivers hits V. Jackson deep off of a play fake to LT up the middle..lol Wonder how those plays would work if nobody bit on the fake? People amaze me.


thanks for all the 411 on your D. How the heck did i forget about C. Hampton. dude is a beast. Its been a long year i guess. I usually dont have to break down the denver and KC games, but this year has been rough..lol

I read in an article that you guys have had trouble with pass rush. Is that true over the course of the season? I know sometimes you give up a few sacks in the game, and the media starts saying the OLINE is horrible, when it may have just been a few blown blocks.
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Old 01-06-2009, 02:33 PM   #322
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Wow, someone that actually knows that sometimes you have to pass to run. Amazing. Norv has been doing that in quite a few games, and people are all over his butt. I even heard LT say it in an interview. When people stack 8-9 in the box, you gotta make them pay in the passing game, or it'll be a long day.

And here's a gem for you non-informed fans out there: Guess what? Even a long, INCOMPLETE pass is effective to make the defense play honest. Sometimes that leads to a 3-and-out and sets up something later in the game. People keep asking why Norv runs LT into the middle of the line only to get trounced when everyone knows its coming, THEN THEY CHEER when Rivers hits V. Jackson deep off of a play fake to LT up the middle..lol Wonder how those plays would work if nobody bit on the fake? People amaze me.


thanks for all the 411 on your D. How the heck did i forget about C. Hampton. dude is a beast. Its been a long year i guess. I usually dont have to break down the denver and KC games, but this year has been rough..lol

I read in an article that you guys have had trouble with pass rush. Is that true over the course of the season? I know sometimes you give up a few sacks in the game, and the media starts saying the OLINE is horrible, when it may have just been a few blown blocks.
Here's the dilemma for coach Norv. If he tries to set up the run via the pass he's got to bank that the front 7 won't get to Rivers. If that happens early, it's going to happen often and then he'll have to adjust to max protect meaning Rivers won't have as many reads and the defense will still be up on the run. If he tries to establish the run to set up the pass, then he's hoping that LT or Sproles will be able to do some damage early against the #1 ranked defense against the run.

I think it will come down to Rivers actually being able to read the defense correctly which QBs across the league have said it's a very difficult thing to do especially with Troy back there playing his tricks.

As for our O-line, yes they've had problems with protection this year. But it seems that when we need it most they've been able to deliver. But you've got to be careful. Ben has a better rating after contact. Also, if the chargers get to him it opens the door for Leftwich to come in who has proven he can move the offense with efficiency against tough opponents.
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Old 01-06-2009, 02:41 PM   #323
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Here's the dilemma for coach Norv. If he tries to set up the run via the pass he's got to bank that the front 7 won't get to Rivers. If that happens early, it's going to happen often and then he'll have to adjust to max protect meaning Rivers won't have as many reads and the defense will still be up on the run. If he tries to establish the run to set up the pass, then he's hoping that LT or Sproles will be able to do some damage early against the #1 ranked defense against the run.

I think it will come down to Rivers actually being able to read the defense correctly which QBs across the league have said it's a very difficult thing to do especially with Troy back there playing his tricks.

As for our O-line, yes they've had problems with protection this year. But it seems that when we need it most they've been able to deliver. But you've got to be careful. Ben has a better rating after contact. Also, if the chargers get to him it opens the door for Leftwich to come in who has proven he can move the offense with efficiency against tough opponents.
You're right about the max protect. And what scares me about that, is that Sproles is NOT the blocker that LT is picking up the blitz. I'm sure you will see plenty of screens and maybe a reverse or two to slow down the blitz. I'd actually be surprised to not see quite a few draws and delayed handoffs in the first quarter to try to slow down the pass rush. Our O-Tackles did not look great against Indy, but who does against Thier two speed rushers, so it was hard to assess.

youve mentioned Ike Taylor. How is the corner on the other side? We have some really big recievers and lots of talent at WR, so maybe we can exploit the other side? If we went to a 3 or 4 WR set, do you have some good nickel and dime DBs?

the other thing i hope we can exploit is timing our calls right and catch #43 on a blitz or two. He is a beast against the run, bun if he is blitzing someone is open, hope Rivers can find out who in time.
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Old 01-06-2009, 03:02 PM   #324
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You're right about the max protect. And what scares me about that, is that Sproles is NOT the blocker that LT is picking up the blitz. I'm sure you will see plenty of screens and maybe a reverse or two to slow down the blitz. I'd actually be surprised to not see quite a few draws and delayed handoffs in the first quarter to try to slow down the pass rush. Our O-Tackles did not look great against Indy, but who does against Thier two speed rushers, so it was hard to assess.

youve mentioned Ike Taylor. How is the corner on the other side? We have some really big recievers and lots of talent at WR, so maybe we can exploit the other side? If we went to a 3 or 4 WR set, do you have some good nickel and dime DBs?

the other thing i hope we can exploit is timing our calls right and catch #43 on a blitz or two. He is a beast against the run, bun if he is blitzing someone is open, hope Rivers can find out who in time.
And if Sproles has to protect against Harrison or Woodley or Timmons - chances are he's going to get run over unless he just dives at their legs. Then Rivers will have approxiately 2 seconds to get rid of the ball as they jump over top of Sproles.

I don't think the reverse will be effective. We've got some pretty good disciplined players that stay at home for that type of stuff. It would be just as much a sack as anything else. The screen pass and delayed hand offs would be more effective in controlling the pass rush.

DeShea Townsend is our other CB and he's reliable (at least in my eyes), but a better veteran so he seems to know the game better and is able to make up for various mistakes he makes in coverage. As for Troy, he can make up ground quickly and isn't afraid to throw his body around to make plays. And just because Troy blitzes doesn't mean that someone is open, it could mean someone else is covering and that's usually where the INTs come in to play. QBs think that the WR is open but instead you've got a LB sliding back in to coverage who reads the QBs eyes and down the field they go with an INT.

As for the chargers, I think they're going to have another problem with the outside rush. We've got speed on the corners. And as we all know, SPEED KILLS! I also think the chargers are trying to compensate for their LBs and could very well be taken advantage of by the dink and dunk plays to our TE, RBs, and even the slants by Santonio Holmes. The decoy could very well be Hines Ward while everyone else has massive stats. That's another issue for the chargers - where is Hines Ward. He's a tough SOB and isn't afraid to lay the lumber on a defensive player.
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Old 01-06-2009, 03:32 PM   #325
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Although I see a few good 'football' posts in here, I do see a lot of homers thinking that the Steelers are going to have an easy game. Please, I heard the same thing from Colts fans last week... oh, the Chargers are an 8-8 team, they're defense sucks, etc. Yes, your team did great this year and they have a strong defense, but your not playing the Browns or Bungles. I see this being a close game that will come down to a last second field goal... which the Chargers will hit for the game winner ;)
As has already been mentioned, the Chargers that you are playing this week are running on all cylinders. The Colts found that out last week. You will find out this week.

Here is to a great game...
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Old 01-06-2009, 03:41 PM   #326
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Although I see a few good 'football' posts in here, I do see a lot of homers thinking that the Steelers are going to have an easy game. Please, I heard the same thing from Colts fans last week... oh, the Chargers are an 8-8 team, they're defense sucks, etc. Yes, your team did great this year and they have a strong defense, but your not playing the Browns or Bungles. I see this being a close game that will come down to a last second field goal... which the Chargers will hit for the game winner ;)
As has already been mentioned, the Chargers that you are playing this week are running on all cylinders. The Colts found that out last week. You will find out this week.

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and your team isn't playing the Broncos, Chiefs or Raiders...
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Although I see a few good 'football' posts in here, I do see a lot of homers thinking that the Steelers are going to have an easy game. Please, I heard the same thing from Colts fans last week... oh, the Chargers are an 8-8 team, they're defense sucks, etc. Yes, your team did great this year and they have a strong defense, but your not playing the Browns or Bungles. I see this being a close game that will come down to a last second field goal... which the Chargers will hit for the game winner ;)
As has already been mentioned, the Chargers that you are playing this week are running on all cylinders. The Colts found that out last week. You will find out this week.

Here is to a great game...
I've seen my fair share of chargers s thinking the bolts are going to have an easy time with the Steelers. So exactly what did you think you were going to find on a Steelers board?

But I digress. I don't think anyone is under estimating the bolts at this point. The fact that they have been playing playoff football for 5 weeks now makes them a dangerous team. Their defense is their strong point and their offense while not hitting on all cylinders is definitely a threat. However, the Steelers still have the #1 ranked defense and are a beast of a different kind. Fans point at the refs about the last game but I hope that the refs stick to the major penalties and let these two teams go at it for 60 minutes. I'd hate to see the refs ruin a good game.

The problem for the chargers, from my perspective, is that they just played a very emotional game against the colts and an OT game at that. They also get to fly across country and play away from home where they are 3-5 on the year. If you think the game earlier was loud - you haven't seen playoff football in Pittsburgh!

I don't believe the game will be easy but what I see is the Steelers defense leading the way for Ben to manage the game and making Rivers life a living hell. chargers fans mention that this is not the same team we faced a few weeks ago but they want to ignore the fact that neither is this Steelers team.

Here's to a good game One that the Steelers win on a Polamalu INT for 6

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How many games have we lost this year because Ben didn't play well?
Indianapolis is the only one that comes to mind. Philadelphia was due to the line, NY was due to an injured Greg Warren, and Tennessee was due to the entire team really.
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Indianapolis is the only one that comes to mind. Philadelphia was due to the line, NY was due to an injured Greg Warren, and Tennessee was due to the entire team really.
Agree with all except TN - Ben doesn't turn the ball over 4 times, we win that game by 10+.
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