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Old 01-15-2009, 05:39 AM   #1
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Angry Atheists want God stricken from oath.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090115/...bama_under_god


WASHINGTON President-elect Barack Obama wants to conclude his inaugural oath with the words "so help me God," but a group of atheists is asking a federal judge to stop him.

California atheist Michael Newdow sued Chief Justice John Roberts in federal court for an injunction barring the use of those words in the inaugural oath.

Newdow and other atheists and agnostics also want to stop the use of prayers during the inaugural celebration.

Newdow, who lost a Supreme Court battle to get the words "under God" taken out of the Pledge of Allegiance, has failed in similar challenges to the use of religious words and prayers at President George W. Bush's inaugurations.

Roberts' attorney Jeffrey P. Minear filed a document in Newdow's lawsuit saying that Obama wants the words "so help me God" included in his oath of office.

The Justice Department and attorneys general from all 50 states have filed motions at the federal court asking for the lawsuit to be thrown out.

The oath dictated by the Constitution is 35 words long and reads: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of president of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

The National Archives says that George Washington added the words "so help me God" when he took the oath at his 1789 inaugural, and most presidents have used it since. However, some have argued that the first eyewitness account of a president using those words came at President Chester Arthur's inauguration in 1881.

Named in Newdow's lawsuit are Roberts; Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.; and the two pastors invited to the event, the Rev. Rick Warren and the Rev. Joseph Lowery.

U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton will hear arguments on Thursday.

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Newdow is a pain in the butt. Obama wants those words in there, leave em in there.
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Old 01-15-2009, 05:58 AM   #2
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How sad. Atheists have nothing to look forward to so they want to make everyone else miserable and unhappy too. I would imagine if it was changed to "so help me Allah" there would be no uproar.
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Old 01-15-2009, 07:09 AM   #3
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How sad. Atheists have nothing to look forward to so they want to make everyone else miserable and unhappy too. I would imagine if it was changed to "so help me Allah" there would be no uproar.
I think it is very sad as well. What I could never understand is...for a group of people who do not believe God exists, they sure act as though they feel threatened by Him.
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I think it is very sad as well. What I could never understand is...for a group of people who do not believe God exists, they sure act as though they feel threatened by Him.
Very true Steelcitygal! My grandmother once said that for you to not beleive in something, that something has to actually exist for you to not beleive in it. Made sense to me, but I am sure alot of people wouldn't understand that point. That is ok though.

What I really wanted to say is that it is BS what these aetheists want. If the President Elect wants to say "so help me God" than it is his right to say it. If he doesn't want to say it, than he doesn't have to say it. Just like when I reenlist in Air Force, our oath ends with "so help me God", it is my right to say it or not depending on my beleif. Guess I shouldn't mention that fact, I might have these atheists come to my next reenlistment with a federal judge and make me not say it. It is ridiculous!
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I think it is very sad as well. What I could never understand is...for a group of people who do not believe God exists, they sure act as though they feel threatened by Him.
thats the truth. its obama's words, he can say whatever the hell he wants.
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God is pretty generic. If he wanted to say "So help me Jesus" or Allah, or Buddah or whatever, I'd have more of a problem because THAT is religious specificity. It's seperation of church and state, not faith and state.
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Very true Steelcitygal! My grandmother wants said that for you to not beleive in something, that something has to actually exist for you to not beleive in it. Made sense to me, but I am sure alot of people wouldn't understand that point. That is ok though.

What I really wanted to say is that it is BS what these aetheists want. If the President Elect wants to say "so help me God" than it is his right to say it. If he doesn't want to say it, than he doesn't have to say it. Just like when I reenlist in Air Force, our oath ends with "so help me God", it is my right to say it or not depending on my beleif. Guess I shouldn't mention that fact, I might have these atheists come to my next reenlistment with a federal judge and make me not say it. It is ridiculous!

I agree with your grandmother. On a related note: A friend of mine and I had a discussion one day regarding religion..in specific, Christianity(I am a Christian and he claims not to be). He became EXTREMELY agitated talking about God. I won't repeat the type of language used by him...but let's just say he was very ANGRY at God and Christianity in particular. I told him, as gently as I could,..."For someone who doesn't believe in God you sure have a lot of anger and venom toward Him. Why let someone who doesn't exist upset you so much?". He seemed to calm down and didn't say much more after that.

Why do these people waste their anger and energy on fighting against a Being they don't even believe in? What difference does it make to them whether Obama uses God's name or he doesn't. They aren't being asked to say it., so what's the problem..there really isn't one..they just see it as an opportunity to complain and get everyone all stirred up.

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Sad...what have we become - a country that does not even have freedom of speech - not even the president...
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Well, if the President believes in God and it's HIS oath, shouldn't he decide?
People pull this shit these days just because they can. I wish I could just go back in time and have died of old age while Regan was still in office.
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I think it is funny that this is what people are worried about. I am not the most religious person but, shit, I have a lot more important things on my plate! Get a life athiests!!!!!!!
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