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Old 01-15-2009, 10:32 AM   #11
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Default Re: Atheists want God stricken from oath.

Seeing as how "so help me God" isn't in the oath, this is going to get laughed out of court. (Presidents add that on their own--some say Washington was the first, others attribute it to later Presidents).

Newdow should be sanctioned under Rule 11 for that reason.
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Old 01-15-2009, 11:37 AM   #12
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Seeing as how "so help me God" isn't in the oath, this is going to get laughed out of court. (Presidents add that on their own--some say Washington was the first, others attribute it to later Presidents).

Newdow should be sanctioned under Rule 11 for that reason.
Historians that attribute it to Washington say that he said this in acknowledgement of the enormity of the position and that even though the President has advisors, ultimately you are alone in the job when making a tough decision, sometime the only help you have is your God. So Washington was asking for all the help he could get in a job that was brand new and largely undefined.

The case is without merit because you can not strike something that does not exist in the law. The oath dictated by Article II of the Constitution of the United States is exactly 35 words long and reads: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of president of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

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Old 01-15-2009, 10:57 PM   #13
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they're just attention profanityfilterprofanityfilterprofanityfilterprofa nityfilterprofanityfilters.. would the government actually overrule the president in his first day in office, especially over something like this? no way in hell. its a shame this was even made public, because thats what they wanted.
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Old 01-15-2009, 11:06 PM   #14
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Very true Steelcitygal! My grandmother once said that for you to not beleive in something, that something has to actually exist for you to not beleive in it. !
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Old 01-15-2009, 11:12 PM   #15
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God is pretty generic. If he wanted to say "So help me Jesus" or Allah, or Buddah or whatever, I'd have more of a problem because THAT is religious specificity. It's seperation of church and state, not faith and state.
Actually, I would have no problem with that either.

So help my Buddha or Allah (which is actually generic (God) in Aramaic), or Jesus.

Why? Because whoever is in office, it reminds them that they still have to answer to a higher authority. I fear the problem with a few of the past governors, congressmen/women, or presidents is that they think they are the highest authority and thus can do whatever they want.

I am not arguing for a litmus test of faith. But if a person of any faith gets into office, I want them to make an oath to THEIR God not to violate the constitution. It isn't a matter of faith to me, but a matter of psychology.
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Not all atheists are alike people..

There seems to be a genuine dislike for atheist here.

I am an atheist and I don't give a damn what he says at the end of his speech.

I don't care if the word God is in the pledge of allegience.

I don't care if people say Merry Christmas instead of Happy Holidays.

I don't care if there is a nativity scene on public property.

I DON'T CARE!

I live by the golden rule and I expect others to do the same regardless of thier religious beliefs.

Just because I am an atheist doesn't mean I don't have a moral compass.

This ass hat and others like him are a waste of time. The empty can rattles the most.

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Old 01-15-2009, 11:41 PM   #17
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Not all atheists are alike people..

There seems to be a genuine dislike for atheist here.

I am an atheist and I don't give a damn what he says at the end of his speech.

I don't care if the word God is in the pledge of allegience.

I don't care if people say Merry Christmas instead of Happy Holidays.

I don't care if there is a nativity scene on public property.

I DON'T CARE!

I live by the golden rule and I expect others to do the same regardless of thier religious beliefs.

Just because I am an atheist doesn't mean I don't have a moral compass.

This ass hat and others like him are a waste of time. The empty can rattles the most.



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Old 01-15-2009, 11:57 PM   #18
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Default Re: Atheists want God stricken from oath.

Would the Atheists shut up already? To the best of my knowledge the person who takes the oath has the option to say "so help me god" to end his/her oath.
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Not all atheists are alike people..

There seems to be a genuine dislike for atheist here.

I am an atheist and I don't give a damn what he says at the end of his speech.

I don't care if the word God is in the pledge of allegience.

I don't care if people say Merry Christmas instead of Happy Holidays.

I don't care if there is a nativity scene on public property.

I DON'T CARE!

I live by the golden rule and I expect others to do the same regardless of thier religious beliefs.



Just because I am an atheist doesn't mean I don't have a moral compass.

This ass hat and others like him are a waste of time. The empty can rattles the most.

Nicely said, unfortunately, there is an extreme side to everything in religion. The reality is that the Bible is Only a book. It is scary that people take it so seriously. I have studied religion, and history, and have to believe that God is a myth, along with heaven and hell. I know that there are some Bible beaters on this forum, or at least some that believe that only their opinion is right about this matter, and I am sure I will take some heat for this post, but truly do believe that if there is a higher power it exists within yourself. Positive thinking is my belief. So, does it need to be stricken? No. I am not going to tell someone else to believe one way or the other, just as I expect the same respect.
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Old 01-16-2009, 12:16 AM   #20
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I'm an Atheist also. I also think people have the right to believe in what they want. Some people just need to get a life and focus on more important things in the world.
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