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Old 02-17-2009, 12:51 AM   #1
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Default Zone Blocking vs. Man Blocking

some food for thought

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5....-Man-Blocking

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For those of you unfamiliar with the Denver offensive line scheme, they use a technique known as "zone blocking". In a "man" or "drive" blocking scheme the lineman is responsible for an individual, and the play is designed for a running back to hit a particular gap. The zone blocking scheme, on the other hand, has a lineman blocking an area instead of a designated defensive player. If multiple linemen are blocking an area than one can break off and block into the second level.

The offensive line typically moves as a unit laterally, and the result of their blocks should create some natural seams or gaps in the defensive formation. The running back is responsible for finding a hole, making a cut, and then running upfield. One of the key tenets of the Denver system is that the running back takes what he can get. He should never dance around waiting for a hole to open. He needs to be agile, authoritative, and possess good instincts. Nothing fancy, just try to gain positive yardage
looks similar zierlein's zone blocking scheme. at times it looks like parker is at fault. this is not a post to bash parker, so relax the O-line is as much to blame on certain plays too. perhaps parker isn't as effective in a zone blocking scheme compared to a man blocking scheme. seems to me when moore was running the ball he appeared to be more decisive and positive than parker. again, this is not a post to bash parker. keep the inane hater comments to yourself

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One reason it has not been widely adopted is time: it takes time to teach, time to master, and time to get the smaller, more agile offensive linemen that the system requires. If you take zone blocking and try to implement it with 340 pound behemoths, you will probably fail
could this be the problem? i saw too many times where one of pitt's linemen just let a guy go right by him. this wouldn't(for the most part) happen in a man-blocking system. is kemo too large to play a zone block scheme? a knock on kemo has been his football intelligence. the zone blocking is a more complicated system than a man blocking scheme.

here is another link on zone blocking...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_blocking

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Zone blocking schemes frequently employ deception. For example, plays may be called in which blitzing defensive linemen and linebackers are permitted to rush into areas of the offensive backfield that are unimportant in the play called by the offense. Meanwhile, the offensive linemen who vacated the unimportant area migrate to the point of attack, blocking material defensive players
how many times have we seen that?

so what's the problem? is it talent across the O-line? is it zierlein's fault for not coaching his system better? are the RBs partly to blame? or is it everything?

IMO, i believe it's a combonation of average talent on the O-line and a poor blocking scheme. Or a scheme that isn't being taught very effectively.

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Old 02-17-2009, 02:32 AM   #2
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Default Re: Zone Blocking vs. Man Blocking

PARKER BASHING.......PARKER BASHING...
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Old 02-17-2009, 07:09 AM   #3
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Default Re: Zone Blocking vs. Man Blocking

Definitely a time consuming process. Our current linemen are meant for double team and one on one power blocking so that is why the running game struggled do to our makeshift line.

We gotta understand that having a zone scheme gives the running back more freedom to choose since 3 lanes can open where as in man blocking only that one lane will open and eventually will get clogged. We have to wait and see for next year and how the O line performs.
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Default Re: Zone Blocking vs. Man Blocking

Parker bashing will end when we get an o-line that can give him decent gaps, against good teams.

C'mon now, Madden treats the Steelers like dirt a lot, and still says Willie is the fastest in the league.
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Old 02-17-2009, 10:18 AM   #5
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Default Re: Zone Blocking vs. Man Blocking

Starks and Kemo are definitely behemoths
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Default Re: Zone Blocking vs. Man Blocking

Sorry, but Larry Zeirline is not a zone blocking coach. The Steelers do not employ a zone blocking system.

They do have some plays where they do zone block, but ist not the base of their running philosophy.
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Default Re: Zone Blocking vs. Man Blocking

I think El Gonzo might have some ideas on this perception of "zone blocking".

As for me, I would just like to see some more consistent (better) blocking...zone, man or any other type.
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Default Re: Zone Blocking vs. Man Blocking

Yeah, Zone is basically what the Colts always did with Edge James running a "stretch play". Houston uses zone block. Take a look at this video of Steve Slayton and the Texans. The O line basically takes one step to their right, blocks the guy in front of them and the RB reads the block. Classic Zone block principle.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d24a14


Now, take a look at this video of Parker in the Super Bowl. Kemoateu pulls in a classic man blocking play. This is not Zone Blocking.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80e88298
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Default Re: Zone Blocking vs. Man Blocking

The Steelers are built for "Man-Blocking"...or as some call it "Power Blocking". We have big fat linemen who use strength...leverage..and a solid anchor. Zone blocking schemes use smaller faster linemen.

In a "man" or "power" blocking scheme the big fat lineman is responsible for a specific defensive player, and the RB should be hitting pre-assigned gaps. The zone blocking scheme, on the other hand, has a lineman blocking an area instead of a designated defensive player. If multiple linemen are blocking an area than one can break off and block into the second level.

Where people get confused is that we use stunts and pull guards (and sometimes tackles) to trap DE's and OLB's.

In the past we have had very athletic yet very strong players to fill those requirements...Harting...Faneca...etc, part of our problem now is that we have either had players that are very strong but not quite athletic enough...(Kemo)....or athletic enough but not quite strong enough...(Mahan).
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Default Re: Zone Blocking vs. Man Blocking

Parker is too fast to wait for his slow pulling linemen to get in position to make their blocks so he's beating them to the holes all the time.

We need faster Olinemen to compliment his speed.

Yeah...I said it.
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