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Old 02-22-2009, 02:07 PM   #21
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Default Re: NFL Execs Taken Aback by Asomugha, Lechler Deals

You are all blaming the wrong guy.

The League needs to take a good, hard look in the mirror.... then it can stare directly into the face of the problem.

The league and the greedy owners created this monster, not Al Davis.

What the hell do any of you care what what the Raiders or any other team pays a player? it isn't your money... and it damn sure isn't going to ruin the league... that's just ridiculous. What these players get paid doesn't even scratch the surface of what the owners and the media structure make. All this boo hooing over salaries is laughable.

Your owner could pay it too... he just doesn't... to his credit.

Daniel Snyder does the same thing, but it's only when Al Davis does it that the sky is falling. What a bunch of hypocritical bunk.
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Old 02-22-2009, 02:09 PM   #22
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Let's face the harsh reality here. NFL owners will continue to get dumber and players will get greedier...and in special cases, stupider. Before you know it players will be rewarded 50 million ollars for mediocrity and the upper tier talent will get paid in the billions.

It's disgusting. But I love the game of football and the Steelers too much to turn away. And that's the pity of it.


S&B, don't act like Dan Snyder is treated like he's innocent and everyone is out to get Al Davis. Snyder is just as guilty of overpaying and inflating salaries as well. But in this case, it wasn't Snyder who blew open that bank account on a CB, it was Al Davis by himself. THAT's why Al Davis is getting blasted.
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What these players get paid doesn't even scratch the surface of what the owners and the media structure make. All this boo hooing over salaries is laughable.
Riiiiiight. That's why the owners are opting out of the current CBA.

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The NFL earns very substantial revenues. But the clubs are obligated by the CBA to spend substantially more than half their revenues – almost $4.5 billion this year alone -- on player costs.
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You are all blaming the wrong guy.

The League needs to take a good, hard look in the mirror.... then it can stare directly into the face of the problem.

The league and the greedy owners created this monster, not Al Davis....

....Daniel Snyder does the same thing, but it's only when Al Davis does it that the sky is falling. What a bunch of hypocritical bunk.
We're not blaming the "wrong guy" here. Davis himself is a part of the problem. He's not the only part (see my previous post about the exploding salaries of O-linemen and the Vikes' hand in it), but this article wasn't about the Snyders, Joneses, et al. who do the exact same thing. It was about Davis, and that's why the bulk of the criticism in this thread is levied at him. If anything's hypocritical here it's your blaming the "greedy owners and the NFL" and basically giving Davis a pass.
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See the deal the Vikes made for Hutchinson a couple of years ago and what that did to OL salaries across the league in general. You don't think the ridiculous deal Asomugha just got is going to have any effect at all on our FO's negotiations with Harrison for a new deal?
Maybe some. But anyone can see it's simply not a sustainable practice to give out contracts like that. That goes for the owners, the players and even the greediest agent. There are only a handful of salary slots that big in the entire league that teams can actually pay someone. You just can't do it.

For some reason, paying linemen $10 million a season is the new fad, but that'll probably start to go away when the teams that do it can't afford to keep the star QB or RB they paid the guy to block for. Or when they don't have the money to get a star QB or RB in the first place, or they have a shitty defense because of what they paid their star lineman. As long as we don't fall into that trap, we'll be fine, though we've been coming dangerously close to it with Starks.

Here's a hint to Colbert: Don't. Do. It. Leave that to the Minnesotas and Miamis of the world.
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the nnamdi deal will have average cb's expecting champ bailey type deals.

in turn, champ will demand a nnamdi type deal. the owners will be hamstrung by the agents.

look at the effect raiders pissing money away on d. hall and j. walker had on the jags signing porter and their scrub of a cb.

all this carelessness artificially inflates the market, and when the owners try to get it back in line with the next CBA the PA is gonna fight them hard.

if porter, randle el, and walker are setting the market value for wr's how is a role player like nate washington supposed to expect anything less?

a lockout almost seems inevitible. it is us fans who will suffer.
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Old 02-22-2009, 04:38 PM   #26
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You are all blaming the wrong guy.

The League needs to take a good, hard look in the mirror.... then it can stare directly into the face of the problem.

The league and the greedy owners created this monster, not Al Davis.

What the hell do any of you care what what the Raiders or any other team pays a player? it isn't your money... and it damn sure isn't going to ruin the league... that's just ridiculous. What these players get paid doesn't even scratch the surface of what the owners and the media structure make. All this boo hooing over salaries is laughable.

Your owner could pay it too... he just doesn't... to his credit.

Daniel Snyder does the same thing, but it's only when Al Davis does it that the sky is falling. What a bunch of hypocritical bunk.
Here's the truth in the matter. Lechler and nnamdi got these huge contracts as pretty much of a bribe to stay in oakland. The only way they can retain players or sign free agents is by blowing the bank at them. I dont know on a fiscal side of things this team can afford it. The raiders will continue to be a joke until the old man kicks the bucket
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Similarly, Lechler's deal more than doubled the previous high average for a punter. His four-year, $16 million deal includes $9 million guaranteed, according to sources close to the negotiations. The $4 million average per season exceeds the previous high of $1.8 million.
the moronic deal with the punter ALONE will be enough to blow up the salaries at EVERY position. there's a ton of quality players, at way more important positions that don't average money like that !!!! if i was a field goal kicker, i'd definetly want more money than a punter.
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if players thaare avg are getting paid star money.. then when a star does come out.. maybe ABSURD!!!!
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Riiiiiight. That's why the owners are opting out of the current CBA.



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We're not blaming the "wrong guy" here. Davis himself is a part of the problem. He's not the only part (see my previous post about the exploding salaries of O-linemen and the Vikes' hand in it), but this article wasn't about the Snyders, Joneses, et al. who do the exact same thing. It was about Davis, and that's why the bulk of the criticism in this thread is levied at him. If anything's hypocritical here it's your blaming the "greedy owners and the NFL" and basically giving Davis a pass.
When have you ever known me to give Davis a pass on anything? I just think it's hypocritical as hell to rant about Al Davis, when the there others that do exactly the same thing. It's only because it's Al Davis and the Raiders that there is this outcry about it. Give me a break!
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Here's the truth in the matter. Lechler and nnamdi got these huge contracts as pretty much of a bribe to stay in oakland. The only way they can retain players or sign free agents is by blowing the bank at them. I dont know on a fiscal side of things this team can afford it. The raiders will continue to be a joke until the old man kicks the bucket
I don't disagree with you. We all know the only way the Raiders get decent players to come to Oakland is to overpay... you gotta do what you gotta do. All I'm saying is, there are other owners who have set precedent for this, before Al Davis did. I find it very hypocritical to blame Davis for what's happening without mentioning what others have done before.
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