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Old 03-01-2009, 03:39 PM   #11
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Default Re: DID THE PATRIOTS TURN DOWN A FIRST-ROUND PICK?

i am suprised as this... i thought that the pats would want the extra picks 2 replace that old ass defense
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Old 03-01-2009, 03:57 PM   #12
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Smart .....but not correct in this case since the Bucs draft at #19
heres my thinking-

they would have 2 first round picks that could eat up to $4 mil in cap space.

they have about 30 of their 53 who arent under contract after 09.

they seem more comfortable with experienced veteran players (seau, welker, moss, harrison) as opposed to draft picks and rookies (c. jackson, l. maroeny)

they already will have a ton of picks this year and almost seem burdened by having to deal with so many. wasnt it 2 years ago that only 1-2 rookies even made their squad?
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Old 03-01-2009, 04:03 PM   #13
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i really think there is more going on than what we see.
My thoughts exactly
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Old 03-01-2009, 04:09 PM   #14
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heres my thinking-

they would have 2 first round picks that could eat up to $4 mil in cap space.

they have about 30 of their 53 who arent under contract after 09.

they seem more comfortable with experienced veteran players (seau, welker, moss, harrison) as opposed to draft picks and rookies (c. jackson, l. maroeny)

they already will have a ton of picks this year and almost seem burdened by having to deal with so many. wasnt it 2 years ago that only 1-2 rookies even made their squad?
Agreed and good points....but.....

That is why you trade for future picks...take the bucs first round..trade down for a 2nd this year and a 2nd or third next year.

Thats why they have a draft trade value chart...so that you DONT waste picks.
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Old 03-01-2009, 04:23 PM   #15
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Agreed and good points....but.....

That is why you trade for future picks...take the bucs first round..trade down for a 2nd this year and a 2nd or third next year.

Thats why they have a draft trade value chart...so that you DONT waste picks.
definitely, which brings me to this most logical reason. maybe we have just witnessed why pioli was so valuable to the patriots in the past and how he will be so valuable to the cheifs in the future.

it pains me to admit that no team has been better in trading players for picks/ picks for players/ acquiring comp picks by letting free agens leave/ and moving up and down in the draft, than the patriots in the past 8-9 years.

maybe its so simple that pioli was the mastermind of all of these (trading for dillon, welker, moss. dumping branch. getting sd's 2nd rounder for this year, selling th e ravens the pick to get boller, etc...).

perhaps if patriot pioli, would never let KC pioli get away with such a deal. perhaps floyd reese simply dropped the ball.

now that the piolichick tandem is split, maybe we will see that part of their long term success was from the deals their fron office was able to complete to get 'chick the tools he needed to work with.

the patriots brains may have just left the building.
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heres my thinking-

they would have 2 first round picks that could eat up to $4 mil in cap space.

they have about 30 of their 53 who arent under contract after 09.

they seem more comfortable with experienced veteran players (seau, welker, moss, harrison) as opposed to draft picks and rookies (c. jackson, l. maroeny)

they already will have a ton of picks this year and almost seem burdened by having to deal with so many. wasnt it 2 years ago that only 1-2 rookies even made their squad?
so i guess goodell was doin them a favor then by taking away one of thier 1st rd picks last year ....
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definitely, which brings me to this most logical reason. maybe we have just witnessed why pioli was so valuable to the patriots in the past and how he will be so valuable to the cheifs in the future.

it pains me to admit that no team has been better in trading players for picks/ picks for players/ acquiring comp picks by letting free agens leave/ and moving up and down in the draft, than the patriots in the past 8-9 years.

maybe its so simple that pioli was the mastermind of all of these (trading for dillon, welker, moss. dumping branch. getting sd's 2nd rounder for this year, selling th e ravens the pick to get boller, etc...).

perhaps if patriot pioli, would never let KC pioli get away with such a deal. perhaps floyd reese simply dropped the ball.

now that the piolichick tandem is split, maybe we will see that part of their long term success was from the deals their fron office was able to complete to get 'chick the tools he needed to work with.

the patriots brains may have just left the building.
I think you may be right...If Belichik was such genious...then why wasnt he one in Cleveland?

I am still suspicious of behind the door dealings with these two cheaters...but I can definately entertain the thought that Belichik got "Pi-jacked".
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I think you may be right...If Belichik was such genious...then why wasnt he one in Cleveland?

I am still suspicious of behind the door dealings with these two cheaters...but I can definately entertain the thought that Belichik got "Pi-jacked".
im definitely suspicious too, and then i ask myself....

would patriot pioli ever have given up both cassell and vrabel for nothing but a 2nd round pick? i doubt it.

then i ask myself could anyone but pioli snag randy moss for nothing but a 3-4 and still have the werewithall to give up a 2nd and a 4th for w. welker (in the same season!?!?!)

i do have to wonder if pioli knew vrabel may have been pegged to be a cap casualty this year, as far back as a year ago.

whatever it is, its seems pioli had the patriots thinking he was doing them a favor.
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im definitely suspicious too, and then i ask myself....

would patriot pioli ever have given up both cassell and vrabel for nothing but a 2nd round pick? i doubt it.

then i ask myself could anyone but pioli snag randy moss for nothing but a 3-4 and still have the werewithall to give up a 2nd and a 4th for w. welker (in the same season!?!?!)

i do have to wonder if pioli knew vrabel may have been pegged to be a cap casualty this year, as far back as a year ago.

whatever it is, its seems pioli had the patriots thinking he was doing them a favor.
You don't have to be a genius to be skeptical of a deal that has just about every fan in the league scratching their heads. What we got was roughly $19 million dollars in cap space for our backup QB and Vrabel who had one year left in his contract. The Chiefs obviously got the sweet end of the deal, but I think it's unlikely that the Pats are completely lost without Pioli. Otherwise we might have to hire you and everybody else on this forum who noticed the obvious one-sidedness of this deal.

Personally, I think the Pats are going after somebody.
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I think you may be right...If Belichik was such genious...then why wasnt he one in Cleveland?

I am still suspicious of behind the door dealings with these two cheaters...but I can definately entertain the thought that Belichik got "Pi-jacked".

Belichik minus his kicker, Brady, and the tuck rule = 0 SBs.
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