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Old 03-04-2009, 02:49 PM   #1
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Default To further stir the pot....

NO! Not THAT POT...

I just received this email...


> This was a response to someone who said this is the worst
> unemployment we have ever had! Since the depression!! Pass
> it on.
>
> Here is an email I put together to answer an email from
> someone who
> thought today's unemployment was the worse we have seen
> since the
> depression in the 1930s. I was shocked that someone would
> think that;
> but it made me wonder how many people actually believe
> this. With all
> of the high government officials telling us every day how
> bad things are
> and the news media doesn't question it, they just
> amplify it and repeat
> it ad infinitum ........ I guess maybe there are a lot of
> people who
> think today is the worst since the great depression; so in
> an effort to
> stop this disinformation effort by the government and the
> media, I would
> like to start this email making the rounds.
>
> According to the data that I can find on line, the peak
> unemployment
> rate of the depression occurred in 1933 and was 24.75%.
> The current unemployment rate as of Jan. 2009 was only 7.6%
> There have been many times in the 20th century when
> unemployment was
> this high or higher. I'll list some of the more recent
> ones below for you.
>
> Jan 1975, 8.1% and rose to peak of 9% May of 1975 and
> dropped to 7.6%
> in Feb. 1977 Except for the month of May 76 when it dipped
> to 7.4%, it
> was Over 2 years it was higher than Jan 2009.
>
> June 1980, rose to 7.6% and peaked at 7.7% Aug. 1980 and
> except for two
> months where it dipped to 7.2% it ended up at 7.4 % in
> August 1981.
> This is a period of 1 year and 2 months.
>
> Sept. 1981 when it rose to 7.6%, peaked in November and
> December of
> 1982 at 10.8% came down to 7.6% in May of 1984; 2 years and
> 8 months
> it was higher than Jan. 2009.
>
> From May 84 through Nov. 86 it stayed mostly above 7.0% 2
> Years and
> 6 months above 7%
>
> In 1991 it came up to 7.0% hit 7.6% in May 92 and peaked at
> 7.8% in June
> 92 and was back down to 7.6% in September 92. One year and
> 4 months
> above 7.6%.
>
> You can find this data at
> http://www.federalreserve.gov/boardd...y/figure34.htm
>
> So you can see that today's numbers have been exceeded
> many times in
> the past and we didn't have all this hoopla and
> government involvement
> in trying to "fix" things. This is why many of
> the conservative
> thinkers believe that this is a grand stand play by the
> liberal left to
> get all of the things they have been trying unsuccessfully
> to get for
> many years. This theory fits very nicely with all of the
> fear mongering
> that is going on at high government levels. Obama said this
> was so
> urgent, the American people couldn't be allowed time to
> read the phone
> book sized volume that makes up this bill before it was
> called for vote;
> but once it was passed, he delayed signing it for several
> days so he
> could take a trip to Chicago. Go figure .....
>
> It is another exercise in expanding government that the
> liberals think
> is the answer to all our woes. I don't know why anyone
> would want to
> trust the government to solve our problems when all of the
> government
> agencies are wrought with inefficiencies and blunders.
> Amtrak can't
> make a buck. Homeland security is wasting money trying to
> figure out
> how to make our airlines secure; they implement rules, then
> they throw
> them out. The IRS people are tripping over each other and
> the right
> hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. Try to
> get one of them
> to answer a question about your taxes for you on the phone;
> they can't
> do it. The Security and Exchange commission sits there and
> lets a guy
> like Maddoff bilk lots of people out of lots of money for
> many years and
> someone else has to tell them what's going on. The Food
> an Drug
> administration is in bed with the pharmaceutical companies
> and the
> results have been bad drugs having to be pulled off the
> market AFTER
> people get hurt and many good non patented drugs never make
> it to the
> market place. Fannie May and Freddie Mac buckle under to
> pressure from
> the libs to give mortgages to people who can't afford
> them; so they can
> win over more voters at the poles. And then when all these
> folks
> default on their loans the first time the economy takes a
> dip; they all
> point fingers at each other. Obama can't seem to find
> enough honest
> people in Washington to fill out his cabinet. The governor
> of Illinois
> is impeached for trying to sell Obama's senate seat.
> When will it end?
>
> I just cannot fathom how any rational thinking citizen who
> is aware of
> what goes on in government would want to give them more
> power; but that
> is what is going to happen and this gigantic spending bill
> is going to
> finance it.
>



I think it echoes what many of us are thinking....

any comments?
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Old 03-04-2009, 02:58 PM   #2
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I just cannot fathom how any rational thinking citizen who is aware of what goes on in government would want to give them more power; but that is what is going to happen and this gigantic spending bill is going to finance it.
I feel too many people in this country believe that our problems are caused by freedom and capitalism and feel that government is the solution. It's absurd imo.
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Old 03-04-2009, 03:22 PM   #3
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I feel too many people in this country believe that our problems are caused by freedom and capitalism and feel that government is the solution. It's absurd imo.
Relax. When the Democrats are in power, there are people who think evil capitalists are the cause of all our problems and the noble, righteous leaders in the government will set us straight. When the Republicans are in power, there are people who think the evil government is the cause of all our problems and the noble, righteous leaders in the private sector will set us straight.

I mean, it's the same people doing the bitching, only what they're bitching about changes slightly depending on where it's easiest to put blame on conservatives while avoiding putting any on liberals.
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Old 03-04-2009, 06:47 PM   #4
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The numbers are not so simple. When you include underemployed it changes them drastically. Also not included are people that have given up looking or filing. Minority numbers are way worse. As has been stated, much of it it greed run wild, but also personal irresponsibility. You have to take what is said with a grain of salt. Yes, things are worse than most of us remember.
The government has a role to play just like the rest of us. Enough of the blaming, try being part of the solution. Depending on your point of view, it is the fault of the other party. So the bottom line is both parties have screwed up. It is funny to my how people have such an opinion of a president after less than two months in office. None of what has been done has had enough time to have a real affect. Give it time, get the facts, then make a statement.
I for one hated what Reagan did to the economy, but instead of crying about it, I dealt with situation and moved on. The bottom line is right now, the private sector is doing nothing but hunkering down and trying to survive. If private companies are letting go of over 600,000 people a month for the last several months, then the private sector isn't going to get the economy going. You can't really compare percentages since the population is completely different. The population in 1930 was under 125 million, today it is over 300 million. What that means is there were approximately the same number of people unemployed during the depression as there are now. Do the math. If you round it off, there were 25 million in the '30s, and over 22.5 million today.
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Give it time, get the facts, then make a statement.
Here's a fact. Government overspending, deficits, and strangling taxes are ruining our country and are largely the cause of our problems, much moreso than capitalism and free markets.....and it just got a helluvalot worse. Is there anything there you disagree with Dragonrider?

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The government has a role to play just like the rest of us.
Really? What role do you feel the government should have just like the rest of us?

I'm not being combative Dragonrider, I really am interested to know your thoughts.
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We have had times of surpluses also. Greed has been a bigger factor. That is on both sides of the isle. What in the private sector provides for the least of us? Ones through no fault of there on fall on hard times. People that have their jobs shipped overseas or show up to chained gates. Who protects and cares for them, that would be the government.
There is nothing wrong with free markets, but when it becomes all about the bottom line and how much the bigwigs can make and not about the workers, then you have a problem. It is amazing how the executive pay has skyrocketed and the workers pay has stayed basically the same. As Henry Ford said, I want my workers to be able to afford the cars they make. That principle has gotten lost. Greed is not capitalism.
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Greed is not capitalism.
Exactly my point. Greed is a human trait and politicans are AS greedy as any big wigs in the private sector.

At least in the private sector you usually have to produce a good product at a fair price so that people will FREELY choose to purchase your product.

The government is a monopoly and they shove a shitty product down our throats and we are forced to pay 40+% of what we make.

The reason our jobs are going overseas has every bit as much to do with unions and high taxes as big wig corruption.

I work until June every year to pay the government what I am FORCED to pay them but I certainly don't work another 5 months to pay greedy big wigs.

So what's worse in your opinion Dragonrider? Greedy capitalism, competition and free markets or a greedy government monopoly that you work for 5 months a year?

Sorry Dragonrider, I lied, I guess I am being a little combative.
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The government is a monopoly and they shove a shitty product down our throats and we are forced to pay 40+% of what we make.

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you call the freedoms we enjoy and the liberties to live like a king if we work hard enough a "shitty product"?


what a shame. especially when its simply offered to you as opposed to being shoved down your throat.

good posting, dragonrider.
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We have had times of surpluses also. Greed has been a bigger factor. That is on both sides of the isle. What in the private sector provides for the least of us? Ones through no fault of there on fall on hard times. People that have their jobs shipped overseas or show up to chained gates. Who protects and cares for them, that would be the government.
There is nothing wrong with free markets, but when it becomes all about the bottom line and how much the bigwigs can make and not about the workers, then you have a problem. It is amazing how the executive pay has skyrocketed and the workers pay has stayed basically the same. As Henry Ford said, I want my workers to be able to afford the cars they make. That principle has gotten lost. Greed is not capitalism.

The corrupt unions have ensured that they can afford the cars they make.....unfortunately, the auto unions have ensured the workers make ridiculous amounts of money so instead of buying fords, they are buying mercedes and lexus'
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you call the freedoms we enjoy and the liberties to live like a king if we work hard enough a "shitty product"?


what a shame. especially when its simply offered to you as opposed to being shoved down your throat.

good posting, dragonrider.


IF we work hard enough...exactly....but then why is everybody worrying about handouts these days
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