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Old 03-10-2009, 08:29 AM   #1
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The Steelers ranked 39th out of 122 teams, despite their perennial winning ways, huge fanbase, and 30+ years of consecutive sellouts. Somehow, though, the Red Wings cracked the Top 10, despite the fact they had about 1/3 empty seats during the Stanley Cup Finals.

Methinks whoever was doing the fuzzy math for this article must be a Clowns fan.


The most successful sports teams: How Pittsburgh fared
Pittsburgh Business Times

Ask the average Pittsburgher who the most successful pro sports team in town is, and most will probably point to the Super Bowl champion Steelers.
But a new study looking at all 122 franchises in the National Football League, the National Hockey League, the National Basketball Association and Major League Baseball finds otherwise.
Bizjournals analyzed the performances of all 122 franchises in the NBA, NFL, Major League Baseball and the National Hockey League in the 2008 calendar year. The top scores went to those teams that were strongest at the twin missions of professional sports -- winning games and making money.
The Eastern Conference champion Pittsburgh Penguins ranked tenth, the study found, the only Steel City team to crack the top 10. Predictably, the slumping Pirates, who finished 2008 with their 15th-straight losing season, were in the bottom 10, at No. 118.
Curiously, the Steelers ranked 39th on the list.
Here’s how the survey made its calculations:
Half of a team’s score was determined by its level of success on the field, court or ice. Bizjournals’ formula considered each franchise’s win-loss record, average margin of victory (or defeat), and playoff results.
The other half was determined by a team’s relative success in business. The formula analyzed average home attendance, the percentage of available seats sold for home games, and the increase (or decline) in a franchise’s value from 2007 to 2008. The latter was based on annual estimates published by Forbes magazine.
The study was confined to the 2008 calendar year. Statistics for the 2007-08 NBA and NHL seasons after Dec. 31, 2007, were combined with 2008-09 statistics through Dec. 31, 2008. Playoff results for the NFL, NBA and NHL came from the first half of 2008, since their 2008-09 playoffs had not begun as of the end of the year.
Championship teams that played before full houses did best in bizjournals’ ratings.
Bizjournals is the new media division of the Pittsburgh Business Times’ parent company, American City Business Journals.
For the detailed reports, see the full Bizjournals story here .
The Top Ten and Bottom Ten teams
These were the 10 best sports organizations of 2008:

1. Boston Celtics (NBA)
2. New York Giants (NFL)
3. Los Angeles Lakers (NBA)
4. Montreal Canadiens (NHL)
5. Boston Red Sox (MLB)
6. Detroit Pistons (NBA)
7. Detroit Red Wings (NHL)
8. Chicago Cubs (MLB)
9. Philadelphia Phillies (MLB)
10. Pittsburgh Penguins (NHL)

And these were the 10 worst:

122. Detroit Lions (NFL)
121. New York Islanders (NHL)
120. Memphis Grizzlies (NBA)
119. Atlanta Thrashers (NHL)
118. Pittsburgh Pirates (MLB)
117. Minnesota Timberwolves (NBA)
116. St. Louis Rams (NFL)
115. Baltimore Orioles (MLB)
114. Columbus Blue Jackets (NHL)
113. Washington Nationals (MLB)

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...wCommentAnchor
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Old 03-10-2009, 08:37 AM   #2
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I'm absolutey shocked (and horrified) that the Steelers didn't make the Top 10! They are Top 10 material in every one of the "required" categories!!!! Dude who compiled these stats needs to put down the crack pipe.

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Half of a team’s score was determined by its level of success on the field, court or ice. Bizjournals’ formula considered each franchise’s win-loss record, average margin of victory (or defeat), and playoff results.
The other half was determined by a team’s relative success in business. The formula analyzed average home attendance, the percentage of available seats sold for home games, and the increase (or decline) in a franchise’s value from 2007 to 2008.
I'm glad to see the Pens made the Top 10, but their average home attendance over the last 2-3/4 seasons is grossly exaggerated by the number of bandwagoners who jumped on board after back to back playoff runs and realized there really IS a hockey team in Pittsburgh.
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...and the increase (or decline) in a franchise’s value from 2007 to 2008
I'm thinking they weighed this factor too heavily in their calculations. That would explain why the Celtics are at the top, after they assembled their All-Star line-up last year, and how the Pens cracked the Top 10 the year they made a deep playoff run and got the bandwagoners back on board.

Otherwise, I'm at a loss to explain how a team that was nearly bankrupt 5 years ago and was practically giving away tickets (Penguins) are 29 spots higher than one of the most consistently successful teams in sports.
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There isn't going to be much of a percentage increase from year to year for the value of the Steeler franchise. They're worth nearly a billion dollars. Let's say they appreciated $20mm in 2008, that is only an increase of 2%. Whereas if the Penguin franchise appreciated by $20mm but started out only worth $50mm that is an increase of 40%.

I am not an accountant, and totally pulled these numbers out of my backside to offer an opinion. Maybe they're looking at percentages on that part of the equation. You're not going to show gigantic percentage growth every year if you're already a giant.

Plus they're only looking at the 2008 year. Steelers were a one and done playoff team that year... not a Super Bowl winner. There would have been 52 playoff teams if you count all of the sports. They also take into account average margin of victory, something the Steelers of THIS year wouldn't have gotten high marks for and they won the Super Bowl.

In other words... lots of holes for possible nitpicking.

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There are more holes in his numbers theory than in a whiffle ball.

He is missing the overall picture when he puts the Pens over the Steelers.
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i can not believe the dead wings are on this list but the steelers are not
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What a funny thread. This is Comedy Right? Where did this come from, the Onion?
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Looks like everyone is a little disappointed here. Especially since everyone's favorite team the RAVENS came in at #19! Too bad you sell out each game but apparently don't go to the game. What's up with your attendance? Why is "Steeler Nation" not actually going to the game? I think that and your win margin is what got you.
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I find it strange that a team thats sells out every game, has a HUGE fanbase, has playoff success, etc. is not in the top 10. Wow.
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Looks like everyone is a little disappointed here. Especially since everyone's favorite team the RAVENS came in at #19! Too bad you sell out each game but apparently don't go to the game. What's up with your attendance? Why is "Steeler Nation" not actually going to the game? I think that and your win margin is what got you.
nah i actually think that the person doing the calculating went to school in cleveland and moved to bmore with the purple browns.
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