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Old 03-16-2009, 09:12 PM   #21
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The thing that kind of makes me chuckle is all the negative vibe over Vista...I mean, it wasn't THAT bad. Bad was Windows ME. If anyone remembers that piece of garbage, they pulled if from the shelves and released XP but a year later.

Vista has been stable from the beginning...I think the problem at first was that people tried to upgrade to it without paying attention to the requirements or reviews. If you had 1gb of RAM and XP was just flying, Vista was not going to be a good upgrade. And, of course drivers took a bit to catch up much like when XP was released.

As for the Mac, it has it's uses, for sure, but much of the hype is just that "edgy and different" feel that Steelreserve alluded to. In fact, there is a reason that Apple moved to the PC hardware architecture (read Intel)...

Windows 7 will be the same...people will groan and Apple will continue to make those cute, if inaccurate, commercials bashing it.
Windows ME was the biggest piece of trash Microsoft ever put out. I had it on my PC for a week before going back to 98SE. The only thing that ME gave us that was any good was the hibernation mode.

I admit I was sour on Vista until I got to learn more about it, and after I upgraded my laptop hardware (it came with just 1GB of RAM; I upgraded to 2GB and am about to go to 4GB). Now I don't mind it at all. I should have known better to believe the negative vibes that come with every Microsoft release - I've only been in the IT field for 10 years.

I'm also not a big fan of Macs. They are overrated, overhyped and definitely overpriced. And the old Motorola-based architecture was substandard to say the least, which of course is why they switched to Intel processors.
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Old 03-16-2009, 09:42 PM   #22
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Maybe I'm one of those who hate change. I got used to XP & could zip thru it when doing my photoediting & have it done quickly. Now I'm wondering if I have to fork out the $ $ to buy all new photoediting software for Vista or can I just reload the old one?
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Old 03-16-2009, 10:23 PM   #23
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Maybe I'm one of those who hate change. I got used to XP & could zip thru it when doing my photoediting & have it done quickly. Now I'm wondering if I have to fork out the $ $ to buy all new photoediting software for Vista or can I just reload the old one?
Chances are it will work, but why upgrade if what you have is working fine? Personally, i try not to move to a new OS unless I have to.
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Old 03-17-2009, 08:35 PM   #24
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Turn off UAC.

Anyway...I have a system that triple boots to Vista Ultimate x64, XP Home (SP3) and Ubuntu Linux 8.10.

I have to say, that I like Vista the most. It is pretty darn stable and the performance is the same as XP if you disable the Aero graphical interface...then, it sort of looks like XP.

People have to understand that you need a bit more ram to really make it fly. I run with 4gb and Vista runs rock solid.
What is UAC? How do I get to that? I see exactly what the other guy was talking about when dealing with this stupid security crap.
My example...I'm trying to deal with the Windows Photo Gallery editing gimmick(yep, I've gotten that desperate), using pics from a CD..I can bring up the image but it won't allow me to edit it until i change the attributes & uncheck the read only box, etc, etc. Simple enough, I thought even though it's a PITA I never had to deal with before, & when you are dealing with alot of pictures, this processing time really adds up. So I went to change the attributes & the stupid security window popped up!!WTF? Over a picture???? Ok, whatever, I typed in the damned password & it came back with an error. Now wait, I followed the directions. Is it because it's coming from a CD?
Anyway there was another option given which was to save the photo under another name & then open that & edit it. I tried that & it wouldn't let me, coming up with a box that said something like this file doesn't exist, blah blah. Well of course it doesn't exist! I'm in the process of trying to create it, for crying out loud!!!!
I never, never, NEVER had to deal with this crap before.
The wonderful finale to this story of frustration is that I can't find the serial code for my photo software, even if it did work with Vista...I can't even email them without the code. It tells me I can get the code from the properties menu on the program...my fiancee, God bless him, reloaded that drive in an attempt to fix it because it was freezing up which caused us to buy this new computer, so that serial code is lost.
I'm screwed. I have almost 200 huge photo files from a Warbird show last Saturday that I downloaded onto yet another computer & burned onto a CD so I wouldn't clog this one up. I've tried downloading pics onto this Vista computer before & there was no selective menu on what you can check off to download & what you don't want.
Photography is one of my hobbies & i'm an artist but am a computer idiot. The only thing I care about on a computer is to process my stuff & cruise a few regular sites like this one & hate the aggravation of going around in circles. My fiancee likes to think he knows about computers & in the process knows how to screw them up, but alas, even he didn't know what the UAC was. (At least I'll admit when I'm clueless.)
Hammer, can you simplify any of this for me, I would appreciate it!

Edit-the only way to work it for now is to send it to my documents & open it from there, when XP would have let me pick & choose out of those photos & send them to my pictures where they belong in the first place. It's another inefficient step to tack on to the processing time.
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hey besteel, here's an excellent photo editing program.......
http://www.gimp.org/

its totally free, and is very similiar to photoshop.....BUT FREE !!! ...I actually have photoshop cs3, and still use gimp. it's pretty user friendly, and you can find hundreds of tutorial video's just with a google search.
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What is UAC? How do I get to that? I see exactly what the other guy was talking about when dealing with this stupid security crap.
the user account control. it creates those security alerts

I do not have XP, but I believe you can turn it off by launching RUN and typing MSCONFIG. the option to disable UAC should be there. Think there's a way to turn it off from control panel too....

BUT, if you are really not good with computers I wouldn't recommend messing with stuff in Run

maybe hammer or XT can back me up on this....
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What is UAC? How do I get to that? I see exactly what the other guy was talking about when dealing with this stupid security crap.
My example...I'm trying to deal with the Windows Photo Gallery editing gimmick(yep, I've gotten that desperate), using pics from a CD..I can bring up the image but it won't allow me to edit it until i change the attributes & uncheck the read only box, etc, etc. Simple enough, I thought even though it's a PITA I never had to deal with before, & when you are dealing with alot of pictures, this processing time really adds up. So I went to change the attributes & the stupid security window popped up!!WTF? Over a picture???? Ok, whatever, I typed in the damned password & it came back with an error. Now wait, I followed the directions. Is it because it's coming from a CD?
Anyway there was another option given which was to save the photo under another name & then open that & edit it. I tried that & it wouldn't let me, coming up with a box that said something like this file doesn't exist, blah blah. Well of course it doesn't exist! I'm in the process of trying to create it, for crying out loud!!!!
I never, never, NEVER had to deal with this crap before.
The wonderful finale to this story of frustration is that I can't find the serial code for my photo software, even if it did work with Vista...I can't even email them without the code. It tells me I can get the code from the properties menu on the program...my fiancee, God bless him, reloaded that drive in an attempt to fix it because it was freezing up which caused us to buy this new computer, so that serial code is lost.
I'm screwed. I have almost 200 huge photo files from a Warbird show last Saturday that I downloaded onto yet another computer & burned onto a CD so I wouldn't clog this one up. I've tried downloading pics onto this Vista computer before & there was no selective menu on what you can check off to download & what you don't want.
Photography is one of my hobbies & i'm an artist but am a computer idiot. The only thing I care about on a computer is to process my stuff & cruise a few regular sites like this one & hate the aggravation of going around in circles. My fiancee likes to think he knows about computers & in the process knows how to screw them up, but alas, even he didn't know what the UAC was. (At least I'll admit when I'm clueless.)
Hammer, can you simplify any of this for me, I would appreciate it!

Edit-the only way to work it for now is to send it to my documents & open it from there, when XP would have let me pick & choose out of those photos & send them to my pictures where they belong in the first place. It's another inefficient step to tack on to the processing time.
To turn off UAC (User Account Control): Start - Control Panel - User Accounts and Family Safety - User Accounts. There should be an option to turn UAC on or off under User Accounts. You won't get any more of those security alerts if you turn it off.

Hope this helps!
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Thanks for the help, guys! And sorry for the long vent, I was pretty frustrated when I wrote that.
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Turn off UAC.

Anyway...I have a system that triple boots to Vista Ultimate x64, XP Home (SP3) and Ubuntu Linux 8.10.

I have to say, that I like Vista the most. It is pretty darn stable and the performance is the same as XP if you disable the Aero graphical interface...then, it sort of looks like XP.

People have to understand that you need a bit more ram to really make it fly. I run with 4gb and Vista runs rock solid.

That sounds like a Dell XPS which I was thinking about purchasing. The Ubuntu looks interesting too for video. However, I am wondering if there wold be a loss by not having OS7 when it arrives. Is the start up time for the 3 OSs longer? I run XP now and can surf blindfolded quickly.
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That sounds like a Dell XPS which I was thinking about purchasing. The Ubuntu looks interesting too for video. However, I am wondering if there wold be a loss by not having OS7 when it arrives. Is the start up time for the 3 OSs longer? I run XP now and can surf blindfolded quickly.
Startup time depends on lots of variables, like partition fragmentation, drive speed, registry bloat, number of apps and services loading during boot, etc. But I have found that Vista boots a bit faster then XP when everything is optimized the same...but I am running Vista x64 and XP x86.

Ubuntu boots quickly as well, but I don't have much in terms of apps installed on that partition...it's mostly a default install. Linux is still fidgity to me in terms of updates, drivers and wireless support so I use it mostly as a Test & QA platform. My XP partition is getting removed shortly to free up more space for Vista.

I would not recommend Vista if you are happy with XP...unless you are a gamer and want DX10 capabilities. It is aesthetically nicer and has more robust security features built in, but no real killer app that requires upgrade.
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