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Old 03-24-2009, 05:54 PM   #11
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Funny how everyone was up in arms about supposed wire tapping of american conversations . . . when it was to foreign suspected terrorists...

BUT THIS?

WHere is the ACLU now? Where is the Southern Poverty Law Center now?

Please someone...

ANYONE.

Ummm Hello.... I don't remember discussing the wiretapping "Patriot Act" here, but I did blast it on other forums and my radio show.

It's one step away from listening to all calls and reading everyone's email. I farking hate it too.
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Old 03-24-2009, 06:11 PM   #12
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Ummm Hello.... I don't remember discussing the wiretapping "Patriot Act" here, but I did blast it on other forums and my radio show.

It's one step away from listening to all calls and reading everyone's email. I farking hate it too.

I actually don't find it half as dangerous as this act. Mainly because for anything to be done about the wiretapping, it had to go through the courts. The tap itself didn't, but if they arrested an american citizen who was not in combat, it would have to go through the court system...
Furthermore, it was specifically limited to overseas phonecalls to known or suspected terrorists. . .

AND it was also in line with current laws, in that those actions line up with similar types of actions throughout the life of the country.

This current issue however, is ABSOLUTELY unprecedented. It is a power grab UN HEARD OF in american politics.
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I hope the people that voted Oduma in are happy as clams right now.
Welcome to the Socialist Poverty States of America.
i am! whats yours is MINE!

(so when do i get to take the MACH for a spin?)

so really... you guys think we shouldve let the entire banking industry and our economic backbone (which happens to be americas strength probably moreso than its military) collapse in the name of capitalism, and just sit back and hope it repairs itself?

we should rely on the greed infused private sector, which brought on this mess, to fix the problem? isnt that like hoping the tobacco companies will cure those with lung cancer?
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Old 03-24-2009, 07:11 PM   #14
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Nevuh....


It's not so much sitting back and watching the banks fail. Its more that the government can use the excuse in the future that they think your companies in a bad spot and come in and take over and tell you how to run your business, pay employees. Basically take it away from the owners.
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Preacher... As far as the courts for the wiretaps... It is a "special" court setup specifically for the purpose of approving the taps. It's a rubber stamp.
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i am! whats yours is MINE!

(so when do i get to take the MACH for a spin?)

so really... you guys think we shouldve let the entire banking industry and our economic backbone (which happens to be americas strength probably moreso than its military) collapse in the name of capitalism, and just sit back and hope it repairs itself?

we should rely on the greed infused private sector, which brought on this mess, to fix the problem? isnt that like hoping the tobacco companies will cure those with lung cancer?
Name on instance where Socialism (which this is a direct lead-in to) has worked in the history of mankind? Absolute power corrupts absolutely. That's been shown to be true throughout the ages. The power of America is already entirely too centralized...this will make it significantly worse.
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i am! whats yours is MINE!

(so when do i get to take the MACH for a spin?)

so really... you guys think we shouldve let the entire banking industry and our economic backbone (which happens to be americas strength probably moreso than its military) collapse in the name of capitalism, and just sit back and hope it repairs itself?

we should rely on the greed infused private sector, which brought on this mess, to fix the problem? isnt that like hoping the tobacco companies will cure those with lung cancer?
Do you really trust the government not to abuse this kind of power? You're extremely naive if you do. It has everything to do with that, and nothing to do with wanting to see the banking industry collapse.
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There is no temporary emergency power in government. Once they've got it, they keep it.
That's not necessarily true. We've had varying degrees of regulation over the years. There used to be NO government regulation at all. Look at welfare. It was originally designed to be temporary relief, then the liberals entrenched it as a generational entitlement to discourage the able-bodied from actually working, then it was rolled back by Clinton (one of the better initiatives of his Presidency) and now it's back to being the fatally flawed system it was never intended to be (Thanks to President Obama).

The point is, any shitty government initiative can be overturned if there is a strong-willed leader willing to do the right thing.
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